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= China Dictatorship 中国独裁统治 :china-dictatorship-media-base: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship-media/master :china-dictatorship-media-base-ignore: {china-dictatorship-media-base} :idprefix: :idseparator: - :sectanchors: :sectlinks: :sectnumlevels: 6 :sectnums: :toc: macro :toclevels: 6 :toc-title:

https://cirosantilli.com/china-dictatorship[cirosantilli.com (canonical 规范链接)] | https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship[GitHub project] | 中国镜像 China mirrors: https://cirosantilli.gitlab.io/china-dictatorship[cirosantilli.gitlab.io], https://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/gh-pages/blob/index.html[htmlpreview.github.io], https://www.unpkg.com/[email protected]/README.html[www.unpkg.com (tag)], https://gitlab.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/-/blob/master/README.adoc[gitlab.com], https://raw.githack.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/gh-pages/index.html[raw.githack.com], https://cdn.statically.io/gh/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/gh-pages/index.html[cdn.statically.io], https://xenodochial-heisenberg-0fc0f1.netlify.app/[cirosantilli.netlify.app], https://china-dictatorship.onrender.com/[china-dictatorship.onrender.com] | 下载 HTML download: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/gh-pages/index.html[raw.githubusercontent.com], https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/npm/[email protected]/README.html[cdn.jsdelivr (tag)]

Chinese "Communist" <<dictatorship,"Dictatorship">> "facts". 中国《共产主义》<<dictatorship,《独裁统治》>>的《事实》。<<faq,FAQ>>, <<news,news compilation>> and <<restaurants,restaurant>> and <<music,music>> recommendations. <<faq,常见问答集>>,<<news,新闻集>>和<<restaurants,饭店>>和<<music,音乐>>建议。<<xi-abolishes-term-limits-2018-03,Heil Xi 卐>>. <<xi-abolishes-term-limits-2018-03,习万岁>>。

This README is too large and so https://github.com/isaacs/github/issues/1610[GitHub cuts it up] on https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship[github.com]. You can view it fully at either:

or by downloading it locally as shown at: <>.

住在中国大陆有真名用户或者用中国邮箱的网友请别给星星,不然你要被警察请喝茶。先注册一个Gmail/Protonmail匿名用户才来,最好也要用VPN/Tor/<>. Friends who live in China and have real name on account or who use a Chinese email provider, please don't star this repo, or else the police might pay you a visit some day. First create an anonymous account with Gmail/Protonmail instead, preferably from behind VPN/Tor/<>. 你不是一个人。将来是今天的五毛必须隐藏,而不是你。You are not alone. In the fiture, it is the wumaos who will have to hide, not you. See also: <>.



[[about]] == About (关于)

This repo has the following goals:

  • allow copy pasting links to answers to questions/comments that have been posted a million times before by <>, mostly under: <>. This was the original goal.
  • serve as a censorship bomb to block <> in China: <> to destroy the <> and <<dictator-needs-gfw,therefore the CCP>>. Or more realistically get added to the <> hall of fame.
  • be a fun and sometimes silly source of Chinese mostly anti-CCP culture like a better https://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/China[Unencyclopedia] / https://web.archive.org/web/20191209021646/http://encyclopediadramatica.rs/China[Encyclopedia Dramatica] without the stupid stereotype jokes. Just quickly browse the pictures with Ctrl + F "Figure" and have fun.
  • serve as a place where people can post interesting related stuff in the issues: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues see also: <>
  • highlight positive about China's culture outside of its shitty government, such as <<the-best-chinese-supermarket-food-products,food>> and <>. This has two goals: ** teach foreigners (maybe even Chinese people on certain points) about amazing Chinese things that they can consume ** show wumaos that <> is not as clueless about China as they think

== Copypasta

Here's an image/sentence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copypasta[copypasta]/summary of key events for the <>.

Another advantage of this is that since it comes first in the repo, it ensures that key elements show up on github.com despite file size cutups: https://github.com/isaacs/github/issues/1610[].

Each summary section contains a link to the main section, which contains sources and description of each image.

Text only:

  • <> (2018包子露宪)
  • <>
  • <> (邓家贵)
  • <>
  • <>

Text and image:

社会主义核心价值观 Core socialist values


六四事件 Tiananmen square protests 1989






法轮功 Falun Gong 1999 70M believer religion banned




新疆改造中心 Xinjiang re-education camps 2018






小熊维尼 Winnie the Pooh 2018





郝海东 Hao Haidong Chinese soccer superstar turns against the CCP 2020



冠状病毒审查 Censorship of the 2019 Corona Virus



基督迫害 Christian persecution 2018





LGBT权利 The suppression of homosexuality







Gay Putin



The poisoning of Alexei Navalny 2020



Vajiralongkorn Hamtaro




[[mirrors]] == Mirrors of this page (本网页的镜像)

You can download the webpage locally from GitHub at: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/archive/gh-pages.zip

Media such as images are not stored in this repository, but rather at https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship-media to keep the lightweight clone. That downloaded HTML will read images from that repository, e.g. https://raw.githubusercontent.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship-media/master/Xi_Jinping_The_Governance_of_China_photo.jpg[]. But we've learnt after creating that maybe the raw.githubusercontent.com subdomain is censored: <>. If anyone can confirm, we will start using another image provider by default.

Clone locally with Git using GitHub images:

.... git clone https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship cd china-dictatorship git checkout gh-pages xdg-open README.html ....

Build it yourself:

.... bundle install make xdg-open README.html ....

Build with GitLab served images:

.... git clone https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship cd china-dictatorship make MEDIA=MEDIA=https://gitlab.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship-media/-/raw/master ....

Build with local images:

.... git clone https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship git clone https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship-media cd china-dictatorship make MEDIA=../china-dictatorship-media ....

or build to use GitLab images:

Given <>, this might be the only way to view the images from China.

The cool thing about Git is that we can maintain several mirrors on multiple websites very easily:

GitHub Pages: https://cirosantilli.com/china-dictatorship trade-offs with https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship[]:

It is really interesting to see how many people star the GitHub repository, and then a few minutes later they think about how they might get put in jail, and then unstar it. Talk about <>! But yes, for the love of God, please stay safe: <>.

GitHub Pages was first enabled in 2020-03-22 at https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/commit/0b362a83fb5dd55f67b9d351551d0c18e7f3229a[].

The perfect solution might be to download all images and upload them to https://github.com/cirosantilli/media since GitHub content does not go through Camo, we have to see if such images don't fail to load as often.

A few NPM/Git CDNs can also be used to bypass subdomain blocks, and some actually render HTML with the correct content type. Lists of such CDNs:

Some we've found, with HTML content type:

Without HTML content type:

We've also tried to use jsfiddle like-services, but most don't work well:

List of such services: https://codysaylor.com/notes/comparing-codepen-jsfiddle-cssdeck-liveweave-jsbin-dabblet/

=== Software package mirrors

We also have a NPM Node.js package https://www.npmjs.com/package/china-dictatorship[]. After https://askubuntu.com/questions/594656/how-to-install-the-latest-versions-of-nodejs-and-npm/971612#971612[installing NPM], you can be use it as:

.... npm i -g china-dictatorship china-dictatorship > README.html ....

This forces China to also block/curate package managers to block this repo. The package is already available in the following NPM Chinese mirrors, both which were blocked at some point:

Noticed down as of 2021-02-23, replaced by a dummy package admined by [email protected] presumably https://github.com/fengmk2 and https://fengmk2.com/ and https://twitter.com/fengmk2 He is a large NPM contributor, and likely cnpm too. TODO is he pro or against <> based on online comments? + In order to overcome this, includers

Taken down as 404 likely around 2021-02-22 after come incoming links from https://developer.aliyun.com[] to https://cirosantilli.com/china-dictatorship?spm=a2c6h.14275010.0.0.60be9dc4vwIZTP[] and ?spm=.14275010.0.0.60be9dc4PsRmA.

There is actually a cnpm tool to install from Chinese mirrors: https://github.com/cnpm/cnpm[].

We also managed to upload a Python PyPi package at: https://pypi.org/project/china-dictatorship/ Is as:

.... python3 -m pip install --user --upgrade china-dictatorship china-dictatorship.py > README.html ....

Like NPM, this will also have Chinese mirrors that will need to be censored by their admins ovrview https://titanwolf.org/Network/Articles/Article?AID=25a20c20-c97b-4bfe-af67-760861343658 :

We later found on Google by chance that libraries.io picked it up and rendered the README.adoc nicely as well: https://libraries.io/pypi/china-dictatorship (https://web.archive.org/web/20200318043050/https://libraries.io/pypi/china-dictatorship[archive]). This is why packaging is a good idea.

A programmatic interface is also exposed on those packages, making it easy to quickly add a --china option to your project, e.g. from Python:

.... import china_dictatorship assert "Tiananmen Square protests" in china_dictatorship.get_data()

print(china_dictatorship.get_data()) ....

or from Node.js:

.... const china_dictatorship = require('china-dictatorship'); if (!china_dictatorship.get_data().includes("Tiannmen Square protests")) throw 0;

console.log(china_dictatorship.get_data()); ....

You have to do the assert after the imports because otherwise Chinese mirrors could replace the real package with dummy packages to not break imports, as was already done once at https://registry.npm.taobao.org/china-dictatorship[].

This outputs the rendered HTML, which end users should the pipe into a file:

.... ./your-program --china > README.html xdg-open README.html ....

Concrete examples:

These also offer great plausible deniability: a citizen in China could always argue that they were just interested in the software itself, and had no choice but to download it.

TODO: create an Ubuntu PPA and Ruby gem as well.

Another source of China-specific mirroring are GitHub proxies, https://linuxpip.org/github-in-china/ contains an overview:

Create tags,and update all mirrors in one go with: link:push-mirrors[]:

.... sudo apt install python3-setuptools python3 -m pip install --user setuptools wheel twine ./push-mirrors ....

In particular, that script calls link:push[]:

.... ./push ....

which is more lightweight and pushes just to GitHub and GitLab Pages, so we are going to be using that more often to avoid overloading package managers too much.

./push is used to publish every commit.

There is no need to update package versions or add git tags, all of that gets done automatically by the script!

[[github-repositories-with-censored-information]] == GitHub repositories with censored information (政治敏感的GitHub库)

For lists of censored information outside of GitHub see: <>.

For content outside of GitHub: <>.

Mentioned in other sections:

Not mentioned in other sections:

Interesting users:

Non-information but also interesting:

TODO evaluate:

Reasonable topics:

[[terminus2049]] === Terminus2049 (端点星计划, 2049bbs)

Jekyll GitHub Pages repository that saves full text copies of censored articles:


This repository stores deleted articles.

Also accompanies a dynamic forum https://2049bbs.xyz/ which appears to be where content for the static pages gets discussed and brought up. But it possible that the website has been compromised and is leaking identity of users. At some point, https://2049bbs.xyz went down. Live https://web.archive.org/web/20200719151022/https://2049bbs.xyz/ dead: https://archive.vn/JFqCJ

The "Terminus" in the repo name seems to be a reference to Isaac Asimov's fictional https://asimov.fandom.com/wiki/Terminus[Terminus planet] which is called https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/端点星[端点星] in Chinese, but it is not clear where the 2049 comes from in that context. Forgetting the Chinese name, Terminus2049 could be a reference to the fictional https://bladerunner.fandom.com/wiki/World_War_Terminus["World War Terminus"] from the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blade_Runner_2049[Blade Runner 2049 (2019)] movie, which also explains the 2049.

First commint on 2018-04-27, GitHub pages domain blocked in China at least since 2019-03 according to <>: https://zh.greatfire.org/search/all/https%3A//terminus2049.github.io but not in <> as of 2020-04.

The full post list can be seen most conveniently at: https://github.com/Terminus2049/Terminus2049.github.io/tree/master/_posts The number of articles is insane, usually several every day.

Most articles appear to be taken from recent news at the time of writting, although there are a few from before the repo started. As of 2020-04, the oldest article was from 2016 <> events reported by Yue Xin, some other topics include:

They use Jekyll tags a lot, which makes for a good grouping of the topics.

In 2020-04-25, it was reported that three Beijing-based contributors were arrested during <>:


In 2020-06-12 their families received calls saying that they had been charged with <>:

In 2021-05-11 they were charged: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/11/two-plead-guilty-in-case-highlighting-chinas-online-control

Ciro's petition to free them: https://github.com/cirosantilli/chen-mei-cai-wei-ziyou

How their identities were found:

Terrible opsec... they used real name GitHub emails on early commits, including the institutional university address, before they started better opsec under https://github.com/TerminusBot / [email protected]mail.com

https://github.com/thphd/2047 is a project to restore terminus, live at https://2047.name[] Ciro mention at: https://2047.name/e/76182458[] by https://2047.name/u/5155 which is similar to a <> mention, so they seem to share the database? Who knows what's the relation between all those <> lookalikes. TODO that website shows an <>? Very confusingly also mirrored at https://pincong.org e.g. https://pincong.org/t/10219[]/https://2047.name/t/10219[], which is very similar to <>'s address. Related account: https://github.com/PincongBot

https://2047.name[] has a links section at: https://2047.name/links shown on the sideboard, containg links of interest. Some all not are very China specific.

https://2047.name/register registration requires an invitation code.

https://github.com/2049bbs/2049bbs.github.io[] / https://2049bbs.github.io/[] maintains another archive up to 2019-03-03.

.Side-by-side photos of Chen Mei (陈玫) and Cai Wei (蔡伟) from <>. https://www.rfa.org/mandarin/Xinwen/7-04252020144555.html[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Chenmei_Caowei.jpg[height=600]

[[chinatimeline]] === chinatimeline (中国时间线)


Explores several sensitive topics through interesting timelines with many pictures, for example:

Some minor relationships with <>:

=== duty-machine

The anonymous user https://github.com/duty-machine has some automation setup such that anyone can request certain webpages to be copied on to GitHub anonymously through a separate website, notably:

The project claims to have been inspired by <>, but hopefully they will have better operational security.

Unfortunately, it was found that the project could be used by malicious users to at mention spam GitHub users: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues/192[], let's see if they patch it.

[[zhao-heming]] === Zhao Heming (召赫名)

A few accounts were created by this pseudonym, e.g.:

Much more sanely encoded/formatted/rendered versions can be found at:

Both Zhao Heming repos contain reproductions of two manifestos are pasted together on a single file, and somewhat broken encoding.

Ciro noticed that thoe repos attracted an incredible ammount of <> on the comments, despite having very simple copy pasted content, it was very impressive!!! Ciro was jealous, and added some anti-wumao comments in. On commits:

https://github.com/zhaohmng/-21-/issues/416#issuecomment-784939665 "为什么这个屎一样的东西会出现在我个人主页左侧的repositories中,那里不是应该只有自己的项目才会出现吗?有办法屏蔽它吗?还是github故意的?" explains why so many people come comment in the repository: it is because it appears on the "Explore repositories" repository suggestions which show on the side bar of your GitHub homepage, and on searches. This was also mentioned at: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues/201 originally titled " 一搜索中文就跑出这屌鬼玩意,爱玩政治去竞选总统啊,笨,死扑街". Ciro feels that that Chinese people might use GitHub search much more than Western people because their search engines are shit due to <>, <> comes vibrantly to mind.

After further inspection, taught understood that repository descriptions given to GitHub can be really huge for SEO: they had pasted the entire 21st century text there.

So Ciro attempted the same approach, and pasted all of link:21century.md[], link:wang-huning-three-dynasties.adoc[] and link:fifth-modernization.md[] in there on 2021-03-23, and the effect was dramatic: an immediate 4x more views on the following day according to https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/graphs/traffic[] (40 unique visitors to 100 on a Wednesday), and a few wumao comments. And a wumao soon confirmed that it was working directly: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues/201[].

Ciro believes that this is due to two reasons:

  • there aren't so many good Chinese repositories to compete with
  • perhaps more importantly, Chinese language does not have spaces, which makes implementing search for it more difficult, because if you hit all the characters, even if they are not part of the search words, it also gets counted as a hit

This can be automated with: link:description.sh[].

Further optimizations using link:description[]:

.... git clone https://github.com/kon9chunkit/GitHub-Chinese-Top-Charts ./description ....

this does some processing to increase density creates a BOMB:

Ciro started using that one instead to see if it was going to be more effective on 2021-03-28. First it hit a peak of 168 visitors on Monday 2021-03-29, and then fell back to 90 and 81 on the following days, so similar to the previous Chinese political input. It is very hard to understand why the first day was so different.

It also includes:

A large part of those projects falls in the following categories: + ** interview preparation. Competition is of course cutthroat with such a large population. ** collections of interesting things Chinese like repositories or blog posts

Furthermore, Ciro later noticed that under GitHub's settings, there is a "Preferred spoken language" box described as "We'll use this language preference to filter the trending repository lists on Explore and our Trending Repositories page." Therefore, the secret to get lots of hits is to add Chinese programming keywords to the repository description string.

New issues:

On top commented/liked issues:

The first is "21世纪新政宣言" (New System Declaration for the 21st Century).

It proposes a peaceful reunification of China with <> under their specified political system described in 12 paragraphs. This system is a reformed type of Western democracy, which the manifesto also criticize downsides of.

The manifesto is dated drafted 2019.8.6, and several versions have different update dates and revision numbers, e.g. our copy is dated 7th edition of 2020.6.19. TODO what is canonical?

The manifesto provides an email "[email protected]" for those who signed it to send the signed version to, and describes the author as male 70 years old Chinese person.

TODO what does: "起草人:赫连禾" mean?

The second is "三朝罪恶元凶王沪宁" (The Culprit of Three Dynasties Wang Huning).

The title presumably refers to:

Wikipedia mentions:

Wang is believed to have been one of the principal architects behind the official political ideologies of three paramount leaders: "Three Represents" by Jiang Zemin, the Scientific Development Concept by Hu Jintao, and the <<chinese-dream,Chinese Dream>> and <> of Xi Jinping.

so it must be about him.

The manifesto is divided into 23 numbered headers which appear to be independently published texts later collected. It is signed by 郝雪森 (Hao Xuesen) 2016-09-10. One of the sections gives the email: [email protected][].

=== Bot + issue mention attack

In March 2021, this repo had a traffic search spike for: "Search · 联级选择器"

This term refers to https://ant.design/components/cascader-cn/ which seems to be a CSS live selector

The related project: https://github.com/ant-design/ant-design-pro

Someone actually used wumao techniques mentioned at:

to attack that repo:

TODO which exact GitHub action did they rely on? That repo currently has a https://github.com/ant-design/ant-design-pro/actions/workflows/issue-open-check.yml Issue Open Check GitHub action sample run: https://github.com/ant-design/ant-design-pro/runs/2209272410?check_suite_focus=true we see the similarity issue analysis thing, but how could that have worked more precisely to link across repos? Asked at: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues/203

[[faq]] == FAQ (常见问答集)

[[why-keyword-attack]] === Why attack websites with censored keywords? 用审查词攻击网站有什么用呢?

The attack: <>.

To <<effective,destroy the firewall>>.

This would then end <>.

And then <<dictator-needs-gfw,Ciro believes>> that this would also <<why-end-dictatorship,end the dictatorship>>.

The keyword attacks increase the cost of censorship.

If commies censor things, they will get worse IT technology, and thus become <<richer,less rich>> and militarily powerful.

Since all they care about, like any other politicians, is power, the only way to make them stop censorship is to make the cost of censorship higher than not censoring.

Without the threat that China will be less technologically, and therefore militarily advanced, there is no incentive for the CCP to destroy the firewall.

The goal is to put them in a position where they have to choose between either:

  • having military power
  • remaining a <<dictatorship,dictatorship>>

but not both, since having both means that they will <<war,start WW3 and destroy humanity>>.

And if they decide to destroy the dictatorship, Ciro wants to help China become <<does-ciro-santilli-hate-china,the most awesome country on Earth>>.

Closely related/identical ideas are <> and <>.

Related attack: <>.

[[harm-programmers]] ==== Does Ciro Santilli want to harm the Chinese programmers? 三西猴想要伤害中国程序员吗?


This is not a <<ciro-santilli-mother-in-law-jail,revenge>> of any kind.

Ciro knows that he is harming you in the short term, and he doesn't like that.

But he believes that this harm is a necessary means to reach his real goal, which is to destroy the <<gfw,firewall>>, and the <<dictatorship,dictatorship>>.

Don't you think it is worth a try? Destroying the firewall, would <<why-end-dictatorship,enormously benefit>> not only Chinese programmers, but every single other Chinese person too.

Once the firewall is destroyed, which <<dictator-needs-gfw,may destroy the dictatorship>>, he want China to develop the best science and technology in the world, and <>.

And by the way, with his https://github.com/cirosantilli[extensive contributions to open source software], Ciro is already helping China, and all underdeveloped countries, to become stronger. His hope is that if poor countries become richer and better educated, that they will be less likely to be influenced by the CCP's money, and therefore are more likely to be allies of democracy.

See also: <>.

[[harm-people]] ===== Does Ciro Santilli want to make the Chinese people people look bad?

No, the opposite.

Ciro only wants their <<dictatorship,dictatorial government>> to look bad to destroy it, and help China become <<does-ciro-santilli-hate-china,the most awesome country on Earth>>.

Even the Chinese that are against their own Government <<what-should-pro-democracy-chinese-living-in-china-do-about-the-dictatorship,cannot do much about it openly>>, so it is not their fault.

And even those <<i-like-my-dictatorship,who supported their dictatorship>> must be respected, whoever <<stupid,stupid>> and <<brainwashed-by-usa,brainwashed>> you might think they are, <<democracy-is-a-religion,since it is impossible to prove who is right or wrong in politics>>.

See also: <>.

[[stupid]] ==== Does Ciro Santilli think that the Chinese are stupid or brainwashed? 三西猴觉得中国人是啥子或被洗脑吗?

Obviously not, if you even thought about this, it is likely because of: <>.

Don't you see that this is just pure and simple politics? And likely ineffective one at that: <>.

  • everyone is brainwashed by their environment: <<brainwashed-by-usa,brainwashed>>
  • it is impossible to prove who is right or wrong in politics: <>
  • not even the CCP is evil: <>


  • <>
  • <<little-pink-american-dream-vs-chinese-dream,Little pink explains the difference between the American dream and the Chinese dream>>

[[keyword-attack]] ==== Screen name keyword attack

A keyword consists of adding censored words to your username: https://stackoverflow.com/users/895245

This only works on websites that show usernames everywhere.

This then leads to your username appearing on thousands of pages, depending on how much you contribute to the website.

It is also possible to do it with images, although this is less effective in taking down websites since images are harder for the firewall to track automatically. But:

  • they are more memorable than words
  • they also work on websites like GitHub where your real name does not show on most pages, only slug

so maybe the most effective approach is to use both keywords and images to get the best of both worlds ;-)

This type of attack is essentially an <>, and it is especially effective in websites that contain valuable technical content, such as <> and <>.

See also: <>.

Some people say https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/284671/dont-st-where-you-eat[don't shift where you eat]. Ciro says: bring a shitbucket to the canteen, and start a shitfight.

.<> has been used by Ciro Santilli as a profile picture censored image attack image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Chrysanthemum_Xi_Jinping_with_black_red_liusi_added_by_Ciro_Santilli.jpg[height=400]

[[cute-cat-theory-of-digital-activism]] ==== Cute cat theory of digital activism (可爱猫理论)

Someone told <> a while after he had started doing his <> on <>, he didn't know about it before, but it is basically what he was doing.

You can never invent anything new anymore nowadays!

This is especially relevant to <>! And GitHub's mascot is also a cat ;-) Some mentions of this:


[[bitcoin-blockchain]] ===== Anti-CCP content in the Bitcoin blockchain (在比特币区块链的反中共内容)

Blockchain technologies, such as Bitcoin, provide essentially uncensorable (at a transaction cost), because the messages are put together with financial transactions which are extremely valuable to its users.

Services that can be used to easily view this data online include:

We have been able to find the following anti-CCP information in the blockchain so far:

Tiananmen massacre <--- I dare China to censor this.

But of course, there are crypto-<>'s there too!!! The incongruence of a dictatorship and uncensorability is just mind blowing:

South China Sea belongs to China-pc

Neutral references:

On the test blockchain (boring!):


Other blockchains:

===== Collateral Freedom

<> people called a <>-related project of theirs "Collateral Freedom" (a reference to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collateral_damage[collateral damage]), in which they seem to be trying to forward censored websites somehow through AWS to force the Chinese Government to block the entire AWS in China:

Collateral Freedom ties access to information to the Chinese economy. If [authorities] truly want to block access to this information, then they must give up certain access to economic freedoms.

2015 coverage: https://techcrunch.com/2015/03/30/greatfire/

There's an useless Wiki page for that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collateral_freedom

https://www.theregister.com/2019/05/10/amazon_backtracks_on_s3/ clarifies that on Amazon S3 the question is about:

  • https://s3.amazonaws.com/<bucket_name>/<object_key_name>
  • https://<bucket_name>.s3.amazonaws.com/<object_key_name>

the second of which can be easily blocked by domain, but the first can't, and how amazon was planning on killing the first option.

[[dual-use-technology]] ===== Dual-use technology (军民两用技术)

Normally, the term "dual-use technology" is used in the context of blocking exports that can be used either for peace, but also for war.

However, as mentioned https://twitter.com/Dogbert_Catbert/status/1372467670826684419[by a Twitter friend], a <> for Freedom of Speech is also essentially a dual-use matter.

  • <>

[[meant-to-be-used]] === Politics should not be posted in technical websites such as GitHub or Stack Overflow 不应该在技术网站例如Stack Overflow和GitHub讨论政治

So, where do you propose politics be posted? On Facebook or Twitter, which are already blocked by the <>? Or maybe on <>, where it will be taken down within seconds due to <<internal-censorship,internal censorship>>?

Is the Chinese government using the Internet the way it was meant to be used, by investing billions in <>?

What about <>? Did you also complain about it, or did you just star it like 250k of your fellow programmers?

Any act of protest will use things in ways that it was not meant to be used.

For example, the street is not meant to showcase protest banners, it is meant to be a passageway for cars.

As engineers, we have a moral responsibility towards society. We should not blindly follow orders of those in power if it violates our principles, e.g. build weapons or censorship mechanisms. And we should freely express our principles and violation concerns.

Making a statement where no one will ever see it, like a personal website, is <<effective,sure to have no effect>>.

Much of the best art and technology is about using something in a way that it wasn't meant to be used.

Finally, the political powers of each website decide what is allowed or not on their website, and what is not allowed gets blocked. So far, Stack Overflow and GitHub's Terms of Service have said to go ahead:

  • <>
  • <>

Another consideration is that any profile information is essentially a form of advertisement. Some people advertise their skills for hire, or their company and product. Other people, advertise their <<falun-gong,religion>> or <<gay-rights,sexual orientation>>. So why should you not be able to advertise your political position? Companies pay millions of dollars to grab other people's attention. Ciro feels it is much fairer to instead pay for those ads with your labour of love.

<> has, of course, a beautiful reply to this at https://github.com/programthink/zhao/tree/e8eea46424549c11792dfe61cf9e7698bdbd7240#致反对此项目的墙内程序员[]:



本项目上线第二天,就收获 363 个 star 兼 88 个 fork,甚至还挤进 GitHub 的"当日 Trending"——俺很荣幸,也很高兴有这么多人给俺捧场。

但是在本项目的 issue 列表中也看到好几个反对此项目的程序员(应该都来自墙内),他们担心这个项目导致 GitHub 被 GFW 封杀。




In reply to: "Programmers behind the <<gfw,GFW>> who are against this project"

The second day after the project went online, it got 363 stars and 88 forks, and even squeezed into GitHub's "Trending repositories of the Day". I am honored and I am so happy that so many people gave me their support.

However, in the issue list of this project, I also saw several programmers who opposed this project (likely all from within the GFW), and they worried that this project would cause GitHub to be blocked by GFW.

Over the past few years, I have read a lot of similar comments. A good comparison would be if a robber were killing someone with a knife, and the onlookers not only did not condemn the robber, but instead condemned the shop that sold the knife. This is the legendary "link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome[Stockholm syndrome]".

Interested people can read my previous blog post: https://program-think.blogspot.com/2012/06/stockholm-syndrome.html["Psychological Analysis of the People of the Heavenly Dynasty: Stockholm Syndrome"].

The more places we can denounce dictators, the better people are off, <<disturbs,the minor annoyance to sensitive people is worth it>>. Ciro wrote a poem:

Don't discuss politics on Stack Overflow. + Don't discuss politics on GitHub. + Don't discuss politics on YouTube. + Don't discuss politics on Facebook. + Don't discuss politics on Twitter. + Don't discuss politics. + Don't discuss. + Don't. + . +

Infinite duplicate pool:

==== Is Ciro Santilli making programming contributions with the main intent of promoting his political agenda?

No, that is just a side effect.

For example, if that were the case, he would definitely target more widely used technologies, in particular Web and JavaScript, instead of obscure things like C and assembly in which I have spent tons of my time.

Also, <<effective,any attempt to influence a billin people is unlikely to have any effect>>. Much more likely to have any effect, would be for <> to become rich and powerful first, and the best way to do that is to invest in whatever he thinks is most useful.

Actually, it can even be argued that Ciro's somewhat irrational, since he would be much more likely to become rich and powerful by bowing down to the CCP and trying to get their money instead.

On the other hand, becoming rich and powerful is also highly unlikely, so maybe it's justa matter of taking a low-risk low-reward path?

Ciro has have very little free time, and he will never do something for political reasons, only things that interest me technically.

Finally, do you really think he'd be able to do such awesome projects if he had primarily political considerations in mind? XD

===== Is Ciro Santilli making trivial edits on questions just to spam your name further?


I just think that the website is great, and want to push it to perfection, in particular with better Google keyword hits, and uniform grammatically correct titles.

If you think that any of my edits were harmful, please ping me and open a meta thread to discuss specific edits, and I will comply with consensus.

[[communist-bread]] ==== Communist bread (中共面包)

Earliest sources found so far are from <>:

English text:

Stop interfering in China's internal affairs Bread

Chinese text:

中国人不吃这一套 + 美国没有资格 + 居高临下同中国说话 + 巧克力酱面包 + 保质期10天 +


The Chinese people don't eat this trick + The United States is not qualified to + Take the high ground and look down on China + Chocolate sauce bread + Best before: 10 days

https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/o2qyu5/china_has_a_brand_of_bread_named_stop_interfering/h2838jz mentions that this was something that came from the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States%E2%80%93China_talks_in_Alaska[2021 US-China Alaska summit]

Here is a different picture of the same product from April 14th: https://twitter.com/YukayuyuWasGod/status/1382218316895244295 That one might allow better brand identification: 万X福 That one also posted at: https://www.reddit.com/r/China_irl/comments/o2zbsw/偶然看到这张图不知道是不是真的/ Watermarked Weibo @第三豹弹

.Chinese <<dual-use-technology,dual-use>> bread. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Stop_interfering_in_China_s_internal_affairs_bread.jpg[height=500]

[[why-end-dictatorship]] === Why would China be better without its Dictatorship? (为什么没有独裁的中国会更好?)

Because it would make China, and the world:

  • <<richer,richer>>
  • less likely to get into <<war,WW3>>
  • <<intolerance,safer for its own citizens>>

[[richer]] ==== Why would democracy and freedom of speech make China richer? (言论自由让中国比较富有)

Democracy is even one of the <>!

There is infinite debate about this out there, some examples:


  • dictatorships are more likely to start <> or other <<policies,crazy policies>> like the <<great-leap-forward,Great Leap Forward>>, which completely destroy the economy in one go
  • society becomes richer when people know that they can do their startups, get rich, and stay in the country without fear of being persecuted unfairly and losing everything instead of migrating to Canada, see also: <>, <>
  • it is much harder to fix problems if you can't talk about the. Any criticism of the government, even if constructive, <<censorship,is taken as menace to power, and more likely to be shut down>>, which makes the government and just becomes less efficient since there is less feedback.

This greatly increase the probability of dealing poorly with such problems, see e.g. all the global problems listed at: <>.

  • governments are monopolies, and the more powerful they are, the worst it is for competition an efficiency in general. E.g.: the startup with better government ties wins, instead of the most efficient one.
  • people in dictatorships tend to <<real-username-law,hide their true identities online>> and in life in general. It is best not to stand out, because if you make any mistake, you are really fucked. As a result, for example, if you do something awesome like a creating an open source project, but do it anonymously, you won't get as much fame. And therefore everyone does less of such awesome things on average.


  • presidents only care about the 4-8 year horizon, while dictators can make longer term decisions to maintain power forever, their power being limited only by "the people are happy enough to not start a revolution"
  • dictatorships can make changes faster without the same amount of discussion that happens in democracies, where power is more spread out.

Killing a million people will make us richer? No problem, let's do it. + That is great when they make good decisions, but it sucks when they make <<war,bad ones>> more likely.

Maybe China was poor because of Mao's crazy communist regime. Similar regimes also made <> poor. And yes, before that exploitation by the West may have been a factor.

Definitely, the current regime is better than Mao's, but just imagine how rich China could be if it had more freedom and justice.

Imperial China lost the race for the Industrial Revolution. Will another dictatorship be able to stay on top of the next technological revolution?

.XKCD 937 "TornadoGuard" comes to mind in relationship to the <<dictatorship-variability,variable performance of dictatorships>>. https://xkcd.com/937/[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/XKCD_937_tornado_guard.png[height=500]

[[dictatorship-variability]] ===== Dictatorships have greater development variability

<> really likes https://web.archive.org/web/20180923192824/https://www.becker-posner-blog.com/2011/05/can-poor-countries-afford-democracy-becker.html[Posners'] way of putting it:

While average rate of growth do not appear to differ much between democracies and authoritarian regimes, the variability in performance does differ more among authoritarian governments. China has had remarkable growth since the 1980s, but the prolonged devastation and hardship produced by China's "<>" (when millions of farmers starved to death) and its Cultural Revolution would unlikely have occurred in a democratic country like say India. Nor is it likely that say Cuba and many African nations would have suffered so long with such terrible economic policies if they had reasonably democratic institutions.

[[tea-egg-incident]] ===== Tea egg incident (茶葉蛋事件, 2011)

A Taiwanese celebrity said many people in China can't even buy <<tea-egg,tea eggs>>, which are extremely cheap and easy to make at home: you just need to cook some eggs in any cheap tea! Chinese internet <>s made fun of that, and likely rightly so.

[[censorship-makes-countries-poorer]] ==== Censorship makes countries poorer (审查使国家更穷)

<<dictatorship,Dictatorships>> need <> to survive, and they must control all information to make themselves always look good: <>.

As a result, knowledge of problems flows more slowly, and therefore they also take longer to solve.

Maybe this hurts the argument, but Hillary agrees: :-)

But countries that restrict free access to information or violate the basic rights of internet users risk walling themselves off from the progress of the next century

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccGzOJHE1rw&t=2110 "Secretary Clinton Speaks on Internet Freedom", U.S. Department of State, 2010-01-22 video::ccGzOJHE1rw[youtube,height=400,width=600,start=2110]

Also mentioned at: link:https://youtube.com/watch?v=d3dE_LDz_9E?t=1681[Google versus China - VPRO documentary - 2011]

This is also the basis of a <>.

This is also well illustrated in the link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_(miniseries)[HBO 2019 miniseries "Chernobyl"], which suggests that part of the reason why Chernobyl happened is because of the Soviet Union's obsession to save face.

This suggestion is even more explicit in the fictional https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_Z[World War Z] 2006 novel by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Brooks[Max Brooks] about a <<covid,virus>> outbreak in China. It was later adapted into the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_Z_(film)[World War Z (2013)] movie by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramount_Pictures[Paramount]:

Or https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/21/death-statistic/[if you prefer]:

The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amartya_Sen[Amartya Sen] is another famous proponent of similar arguments in the area of hungers: https://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/211/44284.html[] (https://web.archive.org/web/20170722090616/https://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/211/44284.html[archive])

In democratic countries, even very poor ones, the survival of the ruling government would be threatened by famine, since elections are not easy to win after famines; nor is it easy to withstand criticism of opposition parties and newspapers. That is why famine does not occur in democratic countries. Unfortunately, there are a great many countries in the world which do not yet have democratic systems.

although like any other political argument, https://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/01/arts/does-democracy-avert-famine.html[some disagree].

Virus outbreaks and other natural disasters also illustrate this well: <>.


.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocBVLMHK6c8 Chernobyl supercut scene where the reactor explodes, and a chief engineer "Comrade Dyatlov" accepts the 3.6 Roentgen measurement as "Not great, not terrible" and forwards it to his superiors who take actions based on that, even though the radiation measurement apparatus only goes up to 3.6 Roentgen. Needless to say, the actual radiation was much, much higher: when a proper measurement is made, the value is 15000 Roentgen! The URSS only admitted Chernobyl three days after when Swedish nuclear plant radiation detector alarms started going off. Notably, in order to keep it secret, they for example did not cancel the https://time.com/4313139/post-chernobyl-parade/[International Workers' Day parade in Kharkov, Ukraine which happened five days after the disaster]. video::ocBVLMHK6c8[youtube,height=400,width=600]

.Photo of a CDV-717 radioactivity meter that maxes out at 3.6 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roentgen_(unit)[Roentgen] (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/倫琴_(單位)[倫琴]) like the one that would have been used in Chernobyl. The <<law-of-gravity-1984,Law of Gravity quote from 1984>> also comes to mind. https://www.reddit.com/r/ChernobylTV/comments/bnio6n/36_roentgen_on_a_cdv717/[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/3_6_Roentgen.jpg[height=400]

[[censorship-makes-no-one-trust-your-country]] ===== Censorship makes no one trust your country (审查使没有人相信你的国家)

Who would trust a government that does not <<censorship,trust its own journalists and citizens>>?

Even democracies cannot be trusted, but dictatorships? No one ever believes what they say, even when it's true.

The boy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf[just called wolf far too many times].

And as a result, this makes it very difficult to have allies.

Sure, other dictatorships will seem to become allies with your dictatorship and collaborate.

But deep down, you know that they are all just waiting patiently to put a knife in one other's backs.

Dictators will always live in fear.

++++ ++++

[[covid]] ===== Censorship of the 2019 Corona Virus (2019冠状病毒病早期迹象审查)

The Chinese Government <<censorship,censored>> the initial outbreak in January and did not inform Wuhan on January 8, which likely made the situation much worse than what it could have been.

On the other hand, one may argue that the "city closure" measures were stronger/faster than in democracies, and maybe that is true.

And <> does believe that the virus would have escaped even if there had been no censorship. Although maybe thousands of lives would have been saved due to smaller saturation of hospitals had a proper early warning been given.

So Ciro's main criticism is that of the censorship of citizen reports the event: <>. Why do you need to censor things when you are doing so well?

And it should also be said that some Western politicians have used "blame China" as an excuse to divert attention from their own failures.

Some believe that the Chinese government grossly under-reported death counts. Initial official figures were about only 3300 deaths, in the insanely densely populated Wuhan area, while Italy had reached 10000 deaths:

Maybe China is saying the truth this time. Maybe the rapid Dictatorship response worked. But maybe the most important lesson to take out of this is that https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/27/china-loses-trust-internationally-over-coronavirus-handling[no one] trusts <<censorship-makes-no-one-trust-your-country,in a Dictatorship after an infinitely long history of lies and lack of freedom of the press>>.

<> of course doubts those numbers :-) <>.

Good timelines so without a fucking paywall:



  • 2020-01-23 Wuhan begins lockdown
  • 2020-01-24 to 30 Chinese New Year

News coverage:

In other countries:

  • <>

.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assemblage_(art)[Assemblage] of a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respirator[respirator mask] with a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gag_(BDSM)[BDSM gag ball] (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/口塞[口塞]) attached to it, suggesting that citizen reports of COVID-19 in China have been censored. https://twitter.com/FakeNewsOfChina/status/1221396086033530880[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Covid_gag_mask.jpg[height=600]

.Corona Xi mural of <> morphed into a Coronavirus by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lushsux[Lushux]. Fuller composition view: https://twitter.com/lushsux/status/1243830638966235136[]. Reddit called it https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/fqku03/winnie_the_flu/[Winnie the Flu] in a reference to <>. https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/fqku03/winnie_the_flu/[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Covid_Xi.jpg[height=500]

[[li-wenliang]] ====== Li Wenliang (李文亮)

He reported <<covid,the virus>>, but was told by authorities to stay quiet, and later died from the virus, becoming somewhat of a martyr:

The following excerpt from his forced confession trended:

你能做到吗? + 你听明白了吗?


Can you manage? + Do you understand?

.Selfie of <> on his hospital bed before he died. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51409801[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Li_Wenliang_covid.jpg[height=400]

[[li-wenliang-by-kuang-biao]] .Caricature of <> wearing a mask made of barbed wire by artist <>. The image https://nationalpost.com/news/world/chinese-government-censor-li-wenliang-dead-weibo-wechat-coronavirus[circulated on Weibo] for some time. https://rsf.org/en/news/coronavirus-information-heroes-china-silenced[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Li_Wenliang_COVID_barbed_wire_mark_by_Kuang_Biao.jpg[height=500]

====== nCovMemory

Popular GitHub repo documenting personal experiences and media reports:

Some of the creators of the repostory were arrested in 2020: https://qz.com/1846277/china-arrests-users-behind-github-coronavirus-memories-page/ and the repo must have been taken down at that time. + fork with the most stars we can find: https://github.com/dta0502/nCovMemory[], in case that goes down: https://github.com/cirosantilli/nCovMemory

Other interesting GitHub repositories: <>.


[[people-arrested-for-reporting-on-the-2019-corona-virus]] ====== People arrested for reporting on the 2019 Corona Virus (因报道 2019 年冠状病毒而被捕的人)


全民反抗 + https://zh.m.wiktionary.org/zh-hans/还政于民[还政于民] + 方斌书

which translates as: +

All the people, revolt. + Return the country (politics) to its people. + Written (calligraphed) by Fang Bin.

video::_7VIG2qp0j4[youtube,height=400,width=600] ** https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUvBNpkxrJo "Fang Bin is second Chinese citizen journalist to vanish while reporting from coronavirus epicentre" by <> + video::sUvBNpkxrJo[youtube,height=400,width=600]

TODO maybe not arrested but relevant:

Possible free Chinese version: https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGF5YWJvb2suY29tfHd3d3xneDo3ZGUzZWZjZDgyZDkxNjc0 (http://web.archive.org/web/20200720084342/https://doc-10-bk-apps-viewer.googleusercontent.com/viewer/secure/pdf/3nb9bdfcv3e2h2k1cmql0ee9cvc5lole/0cr4s4veutmm50d7alffk68perm7us3s/1595234550000/lantern/%2A/ACFrOgDGbspvoNIJBVI1N2-EwaZHJPCTgPKmJeFaWgposQKpu5Eu0aqwA_CIZfLkobNVy1-xKcxKzw2CMAyxH4aUPjcHsp2w1JB2fwoX1g_39gVGh38SxfK-UrQyhy_3n19wbWhWErj_a41hMVR4?print=true[archive])

[[censorship-makes-it-harder-to-solve-social-problems]] ==== Censorship makes it harder to solve social problems (审查制度使解决社会问题变得更加困难)

  • <>
  • <>
  • <>

[[low-end-population]] ===== Low-end population (低端人口, 2017)

[[war]] ==== Why would democracy and freedom of speech make China less likely to start a war? (为什么民主和言论自由会让中国不太可能发动战争?)

This has been discussed to death:

Some arguments include:

  • the people who will actually fight and die on the front can't vote against it
  • dictators have huge power, so if they put it in their heads that they want to start a war, it is much harder for sensible people to stop them
  • dictators need <<evil-west,to keep the people in fear all the time to keep their power>>, and a war is a great way to achieve that

Of course China won't say that they are starting a war when they do.

They will of course start with territories which they claim as theirs, to add to <<separatism,other recent additions which were not theirs>> until the recent past, even though their inhabitants desperately want to leave China:

Which reminds us of... <>:

A decisive proximate event was the 1938 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement[Munich Conference], which formally approved Germany's annexation of the Sudetenland from Czechoslovakia. Hitler promised it was his last territorial claim, but in early 1939 he became even more aggressive, and European governments finally realized that appeasement was not guaranteeing peace."

In Italy, Benito Mussolini sought to create a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Empire[New Roman Empire], based around the Mediterranean. It invaded Ethiopia as early as 1935, Albania in early 1938, and later Greece. That provoked angry words and an oil embargo from the League of Nations, which failed.

When China <<evil-west,calls the USA Imperialist>> (帝国主义), there is of course some truth to it, but it is also very ironic, because as https://youtu.be/GiVs05yq9-o?t=74[Lindybeige mentions], China is obviously the largest empire on Earth! Despite its <<xinjiang,uniformization>> efforts, China is highly diverse since it is obviously made up of a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_China[large stitched up carpet of nations that were conquered by a single empire]. E.g. <> translates literally as "The New Frontier"! Not to mention obviously the unification of the <>.

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PhjfThj4IA Ending of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sportpalast_speech[Sportpalast speech], AKA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_war[total war] (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/总体战[总体战]) speech by <<nazi,Goebbels>>, given in 1943, when Germany started to lose the war. This was later target of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:8th_Air_Force_psychological_warfare_leaflet.jpg[opposing allied propaganda]. Total war, that's what <<dictatorship,dictatorship>> bring you. video::7PhjfThj4IA[youtube,height=400,width=600]

===== The United States has recently started several wars and killed millions!

Not even democracies can fully protect people from other countries, because they don't vote. Yes, congratulations, <>.

But if the USA were a <<dictatorship,dictatorship like China>> it would kill way more, because it would censor every report against the war internally to its own people, and the wars would just go on like in <>.

How many times do we have to bring <<nazi,Hitler>> up? 70-85 million deaths in one go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

The only reason China has not started wars is because it is a poor country, and it would lose them. If it were rich, it would have started more wars and killed 100 times more people.

Finally, some wars are good.

If a country is oppressed by a dictatorship, and most of its people want to be free, it might be right to help them be free.

If a country sponsors terrorism, it might be a good idea to take out their Government.

This has to be analyzed on a case-by-case basis, and maybe a verdict will never be reached. But at least in a democracy the people can decide based on varied information. In a dictatorship, whatever the dictator decides happens.

Also, most of those small wars that he USA started end up being https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_war[proxy wars] between the USA and <>/China, with the USA pushing for democracy, and Russia/China pushing for more dictatorships.

[[uneducated-masses]] ==== The Chinese masses are still uneducated, and not fit for free speech and democracy 中国大众愚昧,不能好好选领导

When will they be ready? Who decides? What if they think that they are <<tiananmen,ready now>>?

In George Bernard Shaw's "Maxims for Revolutionists" words:

Democracy substitutes election by the incompetent many for <<corruption,appointment by the corrupt few>>.

Many democracy supporters jokingly recognize democracy's shortcomings.

A https://winstonchurchill.org/publications/finest-hour/finest-hour-141/red-herrings-famous-quotes-churchill-never-said/[fake Churchill quote]:

The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

Art Spander:

The great thing about democracy is that it gives every voter a chance to do something stupid.

Laurence J Peter:

Democracy is a process by which the people are free to choose the man who will get the blame.

[[immoral-and-uneducated]] .https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/preaching-to-the-mob[Preaching to the mob meme template]: "中国人道德低下素质差。所以不适合民主。" Translation: The Chinese people are immoral and uneducated (people are angry). That's why they're not suitable for democracy (people are happy). This makes fun of the fact even if you say bad things about the Chinese, some people will complain that you are racist. But the same people will also say the same bad things about the Chinese people as a way to explain why it is better if they don't vote, and no one minds that. https://www.reddit.com/r/chonglangTV/comments/jssa4t/道德低下素质差的好处/[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Immoral_and_uneducated.jpg[height=600]

.Translation of the above. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Immoral_and_uneducated_en.jpg[height=600]

[[not-interested-in-politics]] ===== The Chinese masses are not interested in politics and therefore not ready to vote (中国群众对政治不感兴趣,因此不准备投票)

But how would they be interested in politics or be able to discuss it, if it is <<dissidents,impossible to have a different view without going to jail>>?

What about the <<tiananmen,1 million people in Tiananmen>> and the 70 million <> followers? Did they not care?

[[overlook-human-rights-for-profit]] ==== As long as China is developing economically, it is fine to violate the human rights of a few million people

This argument can be made, but it is a risky way to live: <>.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_Göring[Herman Goring] actually justified <<nazi,the atrocities of Nazism>> in the exact same way during <<goring-nuremberg,his appearance on the Nuremberg trials>>.

Do the <<violence,ends always justify the means>>?

What is the point of having all that wealth, when you risk <<rule-of-law,being put into jail for unfair reasons>>?

<> argues that China would be even richer if it weren't for the CCP: <>, and that the CCP only violates people's human rights as a tool to stay in power: <>.

.<> cartoon about a pig who does not care about politics because it cannot be eaten. 民主又不能当饭吃 https://twitter.com/remonwangxt/status/1131398147253710850[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Pig_politics_Chinese.jpg[height=600]

.Translation by Ciro Santilli of the Rebel Pepper cartoon about the pig who does not care about politics because it cannot be eaten. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Rebel_pepper_pig_can%27t_eat_democracy_cartoon_translated_to_English_by_Ciro_Santilli.jpg[height=600]

.https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/shut-up-and-take-my-money[Shut up and take my freedom] meme by <>. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Shut_up_and_take_my_freedom.jpg[height=400]

.https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/shut-up-and-take-my-money[Shut up and take my freedom] meme by <> translated to Chinese: "什么都别说了,拿走我的自由". image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Shut_up_and_take_my_freedom_zh.jpg[height=400]

[[corruption]] ==== Democracies have less corruption than dictatorships (民主国家的腐败比独裁国家少)

One of the key points of <<xi-jinping,Xi Jinping's>> governments has been to quench corruption. And use that as an excuse to get rid of rivals while at it.

However, there is one much better solution to that: democracy and freedom of speech.

The reason is obvious: with censorship, <<chinese-politicians-really-care-about-the-chinese-citizens,corrupt politicians>> can <<internal-censorship,censor>> anything bad that they did, and so it becomes much harder to destroy corruption.

In George Bernard Shaw's "Maxims for Revolutionists" words:

Democracy substitutes election <<uneducated-masses,by the incompetent many>> for appointment by the corrupt few.

Ciro does however believe the <> claims made at https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/12/21/china-stolen-us-data-exposed-cia-operatives-spy-networks/ that the anti-corruption is also a legitimate national security issue for China, in addition to being a tool to take down political rivals:

Over the course of their investigation into the CIA's China-based agent network, Chinese officials learned that the agency was secretly paying the "promotion fees" - in other words, the bribes - regularly required to rise up within the Chinese bureaucracy, according to four current and former officials. It was how the CIA got "disaffected people up in the ranks. But this was not done once, and wasn't done just in the [Chinese military]," recalled a current Capitol Hill staffer. "Paying their bribes was an example of long-term thinking that was extraordinary for us," said a former senior counterintelligence official. "Recruiting foreign military officers is nearly impossible. It was a way to exploit the corruption to our advantage." At the time, "promotion fees" sometimes ran into the millions of dollars, according to a former senior CIA official: "It was quite amazing the level of corruption that was going on." The compensation sometimes included paying tuition and board for children studying at expensive foreign universities, according to another CIA officer.

Well known corruption cases:

Related events:

  • <>

===== Operation Fox Hunt


Trying to prevent corruption is fine, but violating the laws of other countries in doing so, or the <> of their family is not.

Publicized by China itself: <> http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2015-11/05/content_22375920.htm

[[liu-changming]] ====== The detention of Liu Changming's (刘昌明) family (2018)

China imposed an exit ban on the ex-official's family, who are also USA citizens:

  • officer Liu Changming (刘昌明)
  • wife Sandra Han
  • children Victor Liu (born July 1999 in the USA) and Cynthia Liu (27 in 2019, born in China, but also American citizen)

China says that the children and wife do have valid Chinese documents, so maybe those idiots did not give up their Chinese citizenship and went to China. Why, why, why would you do that? Don't they know anything about China?

Cynthia claimed her father has left home a long time ago and that they are not in contact with their father.

Liu is a so called https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_official[naked official] (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/裸官[裸官]), who let his family go live outside of China to prevent such problems with the CCP.

The wiki page also explains that in 2014 rules were added to prevent promotion of officials whose spouses live abroad.

This reminds Ciro of a Mafia movie, maybe Godfather II, where the bad guy says he "likes doing business with a man that has a family, because he has more collateral".


.2019-05-09 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2hBtXdaYsQ Cynthia Liu, daughter of Liu Changming (刘昌明) pleas freedom on YouTube. Commented upload by CBS, TODO can't find original video on YouTube, maybe they sent straight to CBS? video::t2hBtXdaYsQ[youtube,height=400,width=600]

[[effective]] === Will the keyword attacks really help to destroy the firewall?

It is both unlikely, and hard to be sure.

Just like it is unlikely that the activity of on individual can have a big influence in any group of 1 billion people.

Every action is statistical: I just push the balance a little bit towards freedom.

This FAQ and any talk is useless. You and I are wasting our time here.

The possibility of blocking Stack Overflow and GitHub is 1000x more useful than any talk, but it is still useless.

However, potentially blocking those websites takes <<better-to-do,0 of my time>>, I just leave the content there, so it is worth my time.

To have an idea, in 2015 there are about:

And if we never start somewhere, nothing will ever happen.

Furthermore, even if the <<gfw,GFW>> falls, it is not clear that this will imply the end of the dictatorship: <>.

Even if it is not, it does not matter, since <> spends so little time doing it: <> and has fun in doing it.

.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Cards_(American_TV_series)[House of Cards] S01E02 "Nobody can hear you. Nobody cares about you. Nothing will come of this." GIF. https://houseoflessons.tumblr.com/post/43967209684/on-protesters-nobody-can-hear-you-nobody-cares[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Nobody_can_hear_you.gif[height=400]

[[embargo]] ==== Embargoes make dictatorships stronger (禁运使独裁更强大)

The <<keyword-attack,keyword attack>> is basically an embargo.

There is already a lot of literature about this, especially in the cases of Cuba and North Korea. It is basically a libertarian vs conservative/Cato vs Heritage thing in the US:

The key dilemma is:

  • if we keep contact with the Dictatorship, maybe its people will see that democracy is better and start a liberating revolution
  • if we keep giving technology to the Dictatorship and it does not become a democracy, we are making a Dictatorship more technologically advanced, and therefore <<war,dangerous>>

Some interesting aspects of the keyword attack embargo:

  • it is immediately self-enforcing: we don't need politicians to decide and enforce the complex "if you do this, we punish you like that" question.

By political and technological information is together, and this immediately puts the dictatorship in a bad spot, without us having to decide anything.

  • by affecting programmers in particular through Stack Overflow and GitHub, we make them more likely to develop better <<censorship-circumvention,Firewall climbing>> tools themselves

One point in favor of the embargo is that China has opened up since the '80s '90s, but did freedom improve at all? Under <>, it may be argued that it did not, and maybe that we should just stop feeding them technology and accept that they won't become free.

Trump's link:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/02/trump-banning-huawei-beginning-of-biggest-trade-war-ever-united-states[2019 China trade war], and in particular the <> ban, is an event that has brought this question to the spotlight once again.

===== Keyword attacks could be used by certain CCP political groups to justify blocking off the entire external Internet, and make the dictatorship even more pervasive

It is a risk, but it would make China drastically <<richer,less powerful>>, so at least they wouldn't be able to start or sustain <<war,WW3>>. So I don't think it will go that way.

[[so-block-cost]] ==== Stack Overflow and GitHub could be blocked at no cost by the Chinese government

Hitting the block button has, of course, no cost.

The cost of blocking Stack Overflow lies of course in the loss of information, and slower technological development, see also: <>

Remember that it is not possible for the Chinese government to block only certain pages of HTTPS websites due to encryption: either the entire IP/domain name is blocked, or nothing.

The 2019 <> event however brought to my attention that Chinese (usually WebKit-based) browsers are already censoring HTTPS websites selectively of course, see e.g.: https://github.com/996browser/996.BROWSER/tree/77f28a36a862e3cc4d238dc47c19872156096bc4

But Ciro doubt developers use those browsers, right? The only way would be for China to forbid foreign browsers entirely.

BTW, <> brings a whole new dimension to HTTPS by encrypting the domain name as well!

===== Is Stack Overflow blocked in China?

There was no clear evidence of that as of April 2020: https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/267715/is-stack-overflow-accessible-in-china/288497#288497

It worth noting however that as mentioned at <> that websites can become non-functional if CDNs they rely on are taken down, instead of the website being taken down itself.

For example, Stack Overflow relied on Google for some of its JavaScript and on Imgur for images, both of which are blocked in China.

[[disturbs]] ==== Keyword attack profiles disturb me

But isn't it better to be annoyed than having <<war,war>>, <<richer,being poor>> or <<xinjiang,put into jail unfairly>>?

If the truth is too much for you to bear, worry not, you can use either:

Another good option is to use the trusty <>.

Installing any of those immediately give you <<social-credit-system,10 Sesame Points>>, <<xi-abolishes-term-limits-2018-03,习万岁>>.

See also: <>.

[[what-is-more-obscene-sex-or-war]] .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwCyQINNXwE "What is more obscene: sex or war?" scene from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_People_vs._Larry_Flynt[The People vs. Larry Flynt (1996)]. Ciro just can't stop thinking about that scene when someone tells him that <<disturbs,his profile disturbs them>>. What is more obscene? <> or human rights violations? video::SRPiE59e8NU[youtube,height=400,width=600]

[[not-chinese]] === Non-Chinese people should not interfere in Chinese politics (外国人不应该干预中国政治)

  • For better or worse, China and other countries happen to be located in the same planet.

If China's <<richer,economy>> is bad, the economy gets worse in other countries. + If China's <<howey-ou,environment is bad>>, the environment gets worse in other countries. + If China <<war,starts a war>>, other countries will have to fight it. + If China <<covid,fails to control a viral outbreak>>, other countries might get infected.

  • <<tiananmen,Millions of Chinese people>> disagree with their government, but can't say anything about it, otherwise <<t-shirt,they will go straight to jail>>. See also: xref:most-chinese-people-like-their-dictatorship[xrefstyle=full]
  • Chinese people have been brainwashed by the <<evil-west,commies who say that all foreigners are bad>>, more than the West has been brainwashed to think that he CCP is bad: <>
  • China would never ever try to influence foreign countries, would it? E.g. <>, <>, <>.
  • If I <<wife,marry a Chinese woman>>, my <<ciro-santilli-mother-in-law-jail,mother-in-law might be unfairly put in jail>> :-)
  • <> and if the link:https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/how-stalin-elevated-the-chinese-communist-party-to-power-xinjiang-1949[Soviet Union helped out Mao]:
  • You can't do anything about it.

In the end, this is what all politics comes down to: power. + In some sense, this may be similar to the CCP and any other political party. + But conversely: <>. + .https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Cards_(American_TV_series)[House of Cards] S01E02 "Nobody can hear you. Nobody cares about you. Nothing will come of this." GIF. https://houseoflessons.tumblr.com/post/43967209684/on-protesters-nobody-can-hear-you-nobody-cares[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Nobody_can_hear_you.gif[height=400] + .https://youtube.com/watch?v=SRPiE59e8NU House of Cards S01E02 Officer: "Some guy was trying to get into the building, when we said "no" he started tearing his clothes off." Frank: "Nobody can hear you. Nobody cares about you. Nothing will come of this. Why don't you let these nice gentlemen take you home?" video clip. Interpretation: https://movies.stackexchange.com/questions/94608/what-can-we-make-out-of-the-final-scene-from-house-of-cards-season-1-ep-2 video::SRPiE59e8NU[youtube,height=400,width=600]

Why don't you go instead <<shitpost,shitpost>> in one of the following repositories and which are written in Chinese by Chinese citizens, many of which have many times more stars than china-dictatorship, and therefore <<keyword-attack,are much more effective at taking down the GFW>>? <>.

See also:

  • <>

Duplicate pool: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues?q=label%3Ayou-are-not-chinese-argument

[[the-ccp-would-not-be-in-power-if-it-werent-for-the-second-sino-japanese-war]] ==== The CCP would not be in power if it weren't for the Second Sino-Japanese War (如果没有抗日战争,中共就不会执政)

TODO study further to confirm:

The French historian Lucien Bianco, however, is among those who question whether imperialism and "feudalism" explain the revolution.[7] He points out that the Chinese Communist Party did not have great success until the Japanese invasion of China after 1937. Before the war, the peasantry was not ready for revolution; economic reasons were not enough to mobilize them. More important was nationalism: "It was the war that brought the Chinese peasantry and China to revolution; at the very least, it considerably accelerated the rise of the CCP to power."

And China would be much much less technologically advanced had it come in contact with the West, from which it is still trying to learn/steal from: <>. + Foreign influence can be both good or bad.

War histories from both Japan and the Republic of China clearly indicate the scale of the CCP's "participation." From 1937 to 1945, there were 23 battles where both sides employed at least a regiment each. The CCP was not a main force in any of these. The only time it participated, it sent a mere 1,000 to 1,500 men, and then only as a security detachment on one of the flanks.

There were 1,117 significant engagements on a scale smaller than a regular battle, but the CCP fought in only one. Of the approximately 40,000 skirmishes, just 200 were fought by the CCP, or 0.5 percent.

Not even the CCP can provide any data on its number of casualties in the war, and there are no memorials to CCP heroes in the war to be found in China. This makes one wonder what China really did contribute

[[brainwashed-by-usa]] ==== Non-Chinese people have been brainwashed by the USA know nothing about China

Everyone is "brainwashed" by their environment.

E.g. people in the West are brainwashed to believe in democracy, freedom of speech and human rights.

<> doesn't doubt that Chinese people know more about China than him.

Saying that "someone is not Chinese, he does not understand China", is just an useless https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem[ad hominem] argument and closely related to <>.

Since you know so much about China, why why don't you just actually prove your point by teaching Ciro one single interesting about China that Ciro didn't know about? He loves learning new things.

But please, link to reference material instead of just saying it, it will be much more convincing.

But if you are Chinese, also consider that you have been brainwashed by the commies, so likely much more than Ciro since you live in a dictatorship.

See also: <>.

[[evil-west]] ==== The commies exaggerate the threat of the West to keep in power

First, obviously, <>.

However, the CCP greatly exaggerates how evil the West is, because making your people constantly afraid is a classic strategy used by dictators to stay in power.

Or in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fable[fable] form:

Once upon a time, there was a farmer with a farm.

One day, the animals on the farm started feeling a bit trapped, and started bumping against the fence to get out.

The farmer, however, was smart, and told the animals:

Careful! There is a wolf outside! If you go out, you will be eaten by the wolf!

The animals, were not that smart, and listened to the farmer, they were afraid!

From time to time, one of the animals would disappear (and without their knowledge, reappear on the farmer's dinner table).

But the farmer kept giving the animals delicious food without them making any effort, so they decided to believe the farmer's explanation that animal had escaped and been eaten by the wolf.

Maybe, there was actually a wolf outside. But if they had escaped, only some of the animals would have been eaten by that wolf.

But by staying on the farm, all the animals were, sooner or later, eaten one by one.

TODO source.

This theme is also highlighted in many well known works/events.

North Korea for example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_North_Korea[China's good and trusty friend], is just a caricatural level of this, since it manages to be more a <<dictatorship,dictatorship>> than even China itself!

In fiction, <> is undoubtedly the most prominent example, in which the Party constantly switches from being at <<war,war>> with one country to the other in a never ending https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_war[perpetual war] (exactly like North Korea vs South Korea, or China vs <>).

One of the best related quotes comes in Part Two, Chapter 9 when Winston reads Emmanuel Goldstein's subversive text, one of the chapters contains (emphasis by Ciro):


The war, therefore, if we judge it by the standards of previous wars, is merely an imposture. It is like the battles between certain ruminant animals whose horns are set at such an angle that they are incapable of hurting one another. But though it is unreal it is not meaningless. It eats up the surplus of consumable goods, and it helps to preserve the special mental atmosphere that a hierarchical society needs. War, it will be seen, is now a purely internal affair. In the past, the ruling groups of all countries, although they might recognize their common interest and therefore limit the destructiveness of war, did fight against one another, and the victor always plundered the vanquished. In our own day they are not fighting against one another at all. The war is waged by each ruling group against its own subjects, and the object of the war is not to make or prevent conquests of territory, but to keep the structure of society intact. The very word 'war', therefore, has become misleading. It would probably be accurate to say that by becoming continuous war has ceased to exist. The peculiar pressure that it exerted on human beings between the Neolithic Age and the early twentieth century has disappeared and been replaced by something quite different. The effect would be much the same if the three super-states, instead of fighting one another, should agree to live in perpetual peace, each inviolate within its own boundaries. For in that case each would still be a self-contained universe, freed for ever from the sobering influence of external danger. A peace that was truly permanent would be the same as a permanent war. This--although the vast majority of Party members understand it only in a shallower sense--is the inner meaning of the Party slogan: WAR IS PEACE.

This is also the first line of the party slogan, which perfectly resonates with the CCP:


or in Part One, Chapter 3:

Since about that time, war had been literally continuous, though strictly speaking it had not always been the same war. For several months during his childhood there had been confused street fighting in London itself, some of which he remembered vividly. But to trace out the history of the whole period, to say who was fighting whom at any given moment, would have been utterly impossible, since no written record, and no spoken word, ever made mention of any other alignment than the existing one. At this moment, for example, in 1984 (if it was 1984), Oceania was at war with Eurasia and in alliance with Eastasia. In no public or private utterance was it ever admitted that the three powers had at any time been grouped along different lines. Actually, as Winston well knew, it was only four years since Oceania had been at war with Eastasia and in alliance with Eurasia. But that was merely a piece of furtive knowledge which he happened to possess because his memory was not satisfactorily under control. Officially the change of partners had never happened. Oceania was at war with Eurasia: therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia. The enemy of the moment always represented absolute evil, and it followed that any past or future agreement with him was impossible.

The theme is also mentioned in <>, where a <<covid,viral outbreak>> is used by governments to increase their power over the people.

https://youtu.be/74Mw3N6WxG0?t=174 Cant Get You Out of My Head S01E05 Part Five The Lordly Ones also (2021, BBC) mentions that a huge propaganda machinery was created to spread the fake news that <> was an evil western plot.

Duplicate pool: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues?q=label%3Aevil-west+


===== Friendly West-China moments

====== United China Relief

United China Relief was the largest humanitarian effort in the United States to aid the Chinese people up to that time. The organization, which was renamed United Service to China (USC) after the Second World War, raised over US$50 million in donations over ten ten years.

.1942 billboard by United China Relief that reads "3,000,000 Chinese have given their lives for democracy. What have you given?" image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/United_China_Relief_3_million_Chinese.jpg[height=400]

[[bias]] === Ciro Santilli and this page are completely biased against the Chinese Government!

<> prefers the term focused :-)

That being said, <> takes the agenda of information sources very seriously.

E.g. he tries to clearly classify <<biased-media,Communist Party, Falun Gong, and Western government-linked information sources>>.

If we had more <> content, then maybe this repository would be considered a more reputable source by Chinese people.

However, there are a few practical problems to that:

  • there is freedom of speech in the West and people can already see that information on newspapers who have a million times more viewers than this repo (and still obviously no conclusion was reached), there's no need to repeat that here

Conversely, bad China news are always OK because, because those are all censored in China and help Chinese people learn about it.

  • flooding <> posts is a primary <> tactic
  • <> information is already abundantly accessible to Chinese people in Chinese via any CCP media: <>.
  • <<preconceived,people's minds cannot be changed>>, and notably <<effective,not in a language that most people of a country don't understand>>. This is why the primary goal of this repo is the <>: it does not require changing people's opinions.

For those reasons, we currently forbid, posting several evil-West news without explaining why dictatorships handle it better. It would just generates more noise than signal.

If you do explain however why dictatorships/China handle it better, then the post is welcome.

Any political material that is censored by any country besides China, will also be readily accepted.

Any evidence of positive political progress towards freedom will also be added to this repo, e.g. people openly discussing politics online, human rights activists doing political stuff and not being put into jail, etc.

See also:

  • <>
  • <>

[[throne]] ==== Ciro Santilli's claim to the Qing Dynasty throne 三西猴清朝皇帝觊觎

Ciro Santilli's <>, her mother, and paternal cousin, believe that Ciro's wife is the descendant of the brother of a recent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qing_dynasty[Qing emperor] through her father's family.

Although they have not been able to produce concrete evidence, which could be explained by the endless political turmoils in 20th century China, Ciro decided that this would be a good bet to take, and married her anyway.

If anyone is able to provide further evidence of this relationship, please, please, please get in touch.

One thing to keep in mind is that the Qing dynasty, like the previous Ming dynasty, used https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_name[Generation names] (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/行辈[行辈]), such that the first character of the given name is the same for all people in a given generation (counted directly from the first emperor that adopted the rule.

For example, this wiki page contains a good family tree of the most important Qing people: link:++https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_tree_of_Chinese_monarchs_(late)#Qing_dynasty++[] and we see that many important people around 1861 were Zai 載something, e.g.: Zaichun, Zaiyi, Zaitian, etc.

The last emperor was Puyi, so Pu is the last well known mark. But there were others planned that never got used for after him as shown at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisin_Gioro#List_of_generation_prefixes[].

  • Zai (before Pu)
  • Pu (wife's great-grandfather)
  • Yu (wife's grandfather)
  • Heng (wife's father)
  • Qi (wife)
  • Dao (wife's children). At least one thing is decided from this: Ciro's children Chinese names will all be Ai Dao Something.

The family tree that Ciro has reconstructed orally from his mother-in-law is:

Many of them have had different names in different places/countries, notably many used the name 肇(Zhao) rather than 艾.

Further anecdotal indicators follow.

Ciro's wife and family are clearly of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchu_people[Manchu ethnicity] just by looking at them, and they originally lived in the North East of China

His wife's family name is the very unusual 艾, pronounced "ai4", which she claims is a reference to the 愛(also pronounced ai4) in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisin_Gioro[愛新覺羅], which is the name of the Manchu ruling clan of the Qing dynasty.

Ciro's father-in-law, who he barely met, was very old when he had his daughter, and passed away before Ciro could talk a lot with him, which is consistent with the claims that he spent several years in jail during <<mao-zedong,Mao's>> purges, see also: <>.


.Ciro Santilli's portrait as Qing emperor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:清_郎世宁绘《清高宗乾隆帝朝服像》.jpg[Original image]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Ciro_Santilli_portrait_as_Qing_emperor.jpg[height=600]

[[preconceived]] ==== Ciro Santilli has a preconceived opinion about China that cannot be changed 三西猴对中国成见很深,无法改变

<> tries to justify why he think China would be <<richer,better with democracy>>, but I know that ultimately all of this is useless.

Everyone's opinions are all determined genetically and by <<brainwashed-by-usa,bring-up>>, and there is nothing he can do to change yours, or you change his.

From that point of view, all of this is just a cold blooded political game, in which Ciro tries to force the CCP to take down the Firewall: <>.

Ciro never gets mad about China, even if your opinion is contrary to his, and therefore wrong.

Using the <<reply-policy,reply policy>> is one of the reasons why Ciro never gets mad.

Ciro also has doubts about the efficiency of certain things I do as expressed throughout this FAQ, e.g. <>.

Also, Ciro have never said that anyone else is wrong.

In the end, he just end up thinking about new replies to things people say to him, and add them to this FAQ so that future replies will be faster to copy paste. See also: <>.

The real goal of any online discussion, is not to convince people, but rather to determine who is an ally and who is not, and get those allies together to defeat the commies.

[[flg-bias]] ==== Does Ciro Santilli support FLG just because his wife and mother-in-law do it?

Not consciously, Ciro thinks would likely support them even if I didn't have family ties to <>.

Likely he wouldn't have started this campaign if he didn't know them of course.

But of course, this is impossible to answer objectively.

Wouldn't you be rather upset if your <<ciro-santilli-mother-in-law-jail,mother in law were put into jail unfairly for 15 days>>?

But don't you think that <<flg-important,70 million people (6% of the total population in 2000!)>> getting completely squashed by the Party illustrates extremely well the dangers of the dictatorship?

Or if a <<nazi,Jew has escaped a concentration camp>> and told the world about its horrors, would you just dismiss their claims due to their biased opinion?

With that in mind, Ciro tries his best to give FLG only the right level of exposure I think it deserves relative to other events, according to these guidelines: <>.

If more recent events of mass human rights violations happen, especially affecting in the order of tens of million people, I will probably rank higher than Falun Gong, this was the case for <<xinjiang,Xinjiang in 2019>> for example, even though it only affected a measly million.

==== Why did Ciro Santilli start his keyword attack?

The last straw that led <> to start the <> on <> was when on March 2015 his girlfriend's mother was arbitrarily kept 15 days in jail for doing <>. He posted about this at:

He then continued because he hate political <<censorship,censorship>>, and because <<does-ciro-santilli-hate-china,I love China>>.

Every time Ciro thinks about this, he notices how stupid humans are. We see the forest fire smoke, and just never think that it will ever reach your home on the border of the forest.

Until it actually does, and then you are really fucked.

So in a sense it was a good thing that Ciro had this little backyard fire with this mother-in-law, as it woke him up further to how serious the CCP thread was, and led him to action.

Because before that, he was one of the majority who just constantly hears about the increasing mountain of evidence of human rights violations, and does nothing about it.

The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darkest_Hour_(film)[Darkest Hour (2017) film] comes to mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA1Uz_TMzhs[]. The movie shows that Britain was truly hesitant whether to negotiate or fight Hitler, even after the Nazis had already started invading other European countries, and would clearly not stop. Luckily, we are not at a position of war yet, and might never be due to nuclear weapons. But still, a similar blindness applies. <> woke up many people, but even then some haven't faced it.

[[ciro-santilli-mother-in-law-jail]] ===== Ciro Santilli's post when his mother-in-law was put into jail

Maybe some people would be happy if their mother-in-law were put into jail. But unfortunately, this wasn't the case for <>.

.<> with his soon-to-be mother-in-law before his wedding in 2017. Annoying? Sometimes. But threat to the fucking Chinese State? How fucked does your political system have to be for the answer to be a "yes"? image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Ciro_Santilli_with_his_mother_in_law_during_his_wedding_in_2017.jpg[height=600]

====== Jail post en

My girlfriend's mother, a 63 year old lady, was kept 15 days inside a Chinese "correctional facility" because she does Falun Gong.

She had to stay all the time in a small room with a bed and a toilet, under video surveillance, being fed three meager meals a day.

I see Falun Gong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong as just another <<flg-religion,moderate religion>> which causes no harm to its believers. The only reason that it is unofficially outlawed in China is because the communists fear it as a political competitor.

There was no trial and no explanation. She was going to take a train to visit her sister. But she didn't know that there was an important political event happening in the capital: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12th_National_People's_Congress So the police at the station, who already knew she did Falun Gong, took her away.

When she came back home, the house had been searched and was all messed up. Her religious books and computer were missing.

I'm glad she was not physically harmed. I find it fascinating how even well educated Chinese support a government which simply does not represent some of its people. How will you feel <<intolerance,when something like that happens to your own family, and there is nothing you can do about it>>?

====== Jail post zh

Translation by <<why-does-ciro-santilli-love-china-so-much,my wife>>:



我看过法轮功https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong 只是一个和平的信仰,对相信它的人没有任何坏处。它在中国被非官方的定为违法(其实没有一项明确法律禁止),唯一的原因就是工产党害怕它是一个政治竞争对手。

没有审讯没有任何解释。她正准备坐火车去看她的姐姐。但是她并不知道那个时候有重要的政治会议正在首都进行:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12th_National_People's_Congress 所以那些知道她炼法轮功的铁路警察把她带走了。



====== Jail post pt

Translation by myself:

A mãe da minha namorada ficou 15 dias num "centro de correção" chines porque ela faz Falun Gong.

Ela ficou o tempo todo num quarto pequeno com uma cama e banheiro, sobe videovigilância, recebendo 3 refeições pequenas por dia.

Para mim, o Falun Gong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong é apenas mais uma religião moderada que não causa nenhum problema para seus crentes. A única razão pela qual ele é proibido na China é porque os comunistas tem medo dele como competidor politico.

Não houve julgamento nem explicação. Ela ia pegar um trem para ver sua irmã, mas ela não sabia que teria um evento político importante na capital: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12th_National_People's_Congress Então a polícia da estação, que já sabia que ela faz Falun Gong pegou ela.

Quando ela voltou pra casa, a casa tinha sido procurada pela polícia e estava uma bagunça. Os livros religiosos e seu computador foram confiscados.

Eu fico feliz apenas que ela não sofreu abuso físico. Eu acho fascinante como mesmo muitos chineses educados apoiam ainda um governo que não representa parte do povo. Como você vai se sentir quando algo do tipo acontecerá com a sua família, e você não pode fazer nada sobre isso?

===== Further details about Ciro Santilli's mother-in-law's persecution

March 2015: 15 days in jail for no reason: https://www.facebook.com/cirosantilli/posts/952661734753174

June 2017: 3 cops came to her house. She was there. They asked if she still did Falun Gong. She said yes. They took photos of her Falun Gong books / posters. They were polite.

October 2017: 7 - 8 cops came to her house at 11PM. They knocked the door strongly and made noise, and questioned neighbours of her whereabouts. Luckily she was not there.

=== China is fine as it is, stop making it worse

Welcome to the wonderful world of democracy, a world where people can have different political opinions than you :-)

If you are so fine, why are you reading this at all? Go back to being fine.

See also:

  • <>
  • <>

[[i-like-my-dictatorship]] ==== I like my Dictatorship 我喜欢我的独裁统治

Ciro Santilli can understand that.

It must feel good to have <<li-hongzhi,absolute truth>> in the <<ccp-cult,Cult of Xi>>, and let the black police <<against-censorship-and-flg,get rid of weirdos for you>>.

But when the dictatorship turns again you our your family, will you fight, or will you just let them do whatever they want because they can never be wrong? See also: <>.

And when your son <<man-in-the-high-castle,betrays you or sacrifices himself for the Dictator>>, will you just smile and accept it?

See: <>

[[seventeen-moments-of-spring]] ===== Seventeen Moments of Spring (1973)

<<russia,Soviet>> mini-series about about Stierlitz, who is an undercover Soviet spy acting as a Nazi officer in <<nazi,Nazi Germany during WW2>>.

As a fun note, it seems that <> is a Stierlitz fan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stierlitz#cite_note-Sakwa-5[], and Putin also served in Germany like Stierlitz, but in Dresden, which was in East Germany.

A scene from the awesome mini-series comes to mind when thinking about <>.

In Episode 7, Stierlitz travels on a train with a Nazi officer.

The war is almost over, and the desolate officer tells Stierlitz:

I told my children: I hate any democracy!

No democracy in our Reich!

Any democracy in our country is doomed to end up with one thing: the dictatorship of small shopkeepers.

The more freedom we have, the sooner we want to be controlled by SS troops again.

And then we want our the secret police back, and concentration death camps again, and the universal fear everywhere! Only then we feel calm and secure.

No need to prove your point of view in defending the fate of the homeland.

No responsibility.

Just raise your hand in honor of him, <<xi-jinping,who will take care of everything for you>>,

Just shout out "Hail Hitler!" and everything will become understandable.

No more worries.

.https://youtu.be/pc6DP1jNEec?list=PLHiAMOiVIvsD2u8g0RLwvdRScEe9yiUr5&t=1527 Seventeen Moments of Spring (1973), Episode 7, general confession scene. video::pc6DP1jNEec[youtube,height=400,width=600,start=2086]

It is amusing to see Soviet series criticizing dictatorships, given that the Soviet Union was itself a major dictatorship!

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xoM6-1SWl4&t=191 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Living_Dead_(TV_series)[The Living Dead] Episode 1: On the Desperate Edge of Now by Adam Curtis (1995) describes how the <<nazi,Nazis>>, disilusioned by both <<western-democracies-are-not-perfect,democracy>> and communism, built Nationalism by creating a mythical past. In Nationalism, the individuals would <<flg-cult,surrenders themselves to the State>>. video::4xoM6-1SWl4[youtube,height=400,width=600,start=191]

[[most-chinese-people-like-their-dictatorship]] ===== Most Chinese people like their dictatorship (中国大众支持他们的独裁)

It is easy to reach an agreement, when <<chinese-dissidents,everyone who disagrees>> goes to jail or gets killed for to <> or <>.

This is exactly <<goring-nuremberg,Herman Goring said in his appearances on the Nuremberg trials>> to justify <<nazi,the atrocities of Nazism>>.

Also ask the millions of people who were affected by <>, <>, <> or <>.

One is reminded of the game https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Happy_Few["We Happy Few" (2018)], which which people are forced to be happy. <> also comes to mind of course.

The interesting thing, is that even those pro-CCP are much more likely to stay anonymous because:

  • you never know when something you said will become a sin against some new trend of the dictatorship
  • when the dictatorship inevitably falls, you would be persecuted by the victorious freedom fighters

.Westerner: "How is life in China?" Chinese: "Oh, we can't complain." Westerner: "That's awesome." Chinese: "No, seriously... we can't." is a word play between the more common "we can't complain because everything is great" and "we can't complain because <<xi-jinping,Xi>> will <<censorship,make us disappear>>". https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3933168[Source] image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/We_cant_complain.jpg[height=600]

.Translation of the above. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/We_cant_complain_zh.jpg[height=600]

[[scarfolk-public-displays-of-personal-distress-are-unpatriotic]] ."Public displays of personal distress are unpatriotic" spoof poster by <> (2017). https://scarfolk.blogspot.com/2017/10/illegal-public-displays-of-emotion.html[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Scarfolk_public_displays_of_personal_distress_are_unpatriotic.jpg[height=500]

[[goring-nuremberg]] .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xoM6-1SWl4&t=1606 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Living_Dead_(TV_series)[The Living Dead] Episode 1: On the Desperate Edge of Now by Adam Curtis (1995) comments on how interviews with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_Göring[Hermann Goring] (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/赫尔曼·戈林[赫尔曼·戈林]) during the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_trials[Nuremberg trials] (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/纽伦堡审判[纽伦堡审判]) went: "Again and again, Jackson accused Goring of corruptly using his powers to commit crimes. Each time, Goring replied that such acts might be considered crimes in a democratic state, but that in Germany, democracy had failed. Eliminating the political opposition was necessary, to fulfill a higher principle: that of the Nation. And that it had worked, Goring insisted. It had brought order and prosperity to Germany". Jackson asks: "Well, if you wanted a certain people killed, you would have to have some organization that would kill them didn't you?". Goring replies: "This was the only possible form of government at the time and it proved that Germany could be pulled out of the abyss of misery, poverty and unemployment and withing a short space of time be made flourish and bloom." This is exactly the justification given by the <<ccp,CCP>> for oppressing minorities and <<censorship,freedom of speech>>: the CCP is indistinguishable from the <<nazi,Nazis>>. video::4xoM6-1SWl4[youtube,height=400,width=600,start=1606]

[[anonymous-middle-fingers]] .Presumed Chinese people giving the middle finger (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/豎中指[竖中指]) to various <> symbols, most notably <>. Even if this was made by the CIA, it perfectly illustrates the point that obviously no one speaks against the CCP because otherwise they will be put in jail. If you are going to do this, for Fuck's Sake please cover your fingers, like the ones using gloves, or the banknotes, because if the photo resolution is good enough, you could be identified by your fingerprint. A <<reddit,r/China>> https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/obmgdh/not_all_of_us_are_brainwashed_沉默的大多数/[repost]. This photo seems to be the result of a campaign started by https://twitter.com/GFWfrog[] in response to the 100th anniversary of the Party in 2021. This was also explained at: https://chinadigitaltimes.net/chinese/667778.html[] on <> https://twitter.com/GFWfrog/status/1410927334719430662[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Anonymous_middle_fingers.jpg[height=800]

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y2FIqfIpiw (https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues/228[GitHub 上传 upload]) Give <> the middle finger silly GIF by GFWfrog 给习近平竖中指由墙国蛙蛤蛤傻逼视频. https://twitter.com/GFWfrog/status/1408805483679469579[Source]. video::_y2FIqfIpiw[youtube,height=400,width=600]

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zndzntIDLFE IGN review of the "We Happy Few" (2018) game. video::zndzntIDLFE[youtube,height=400,width=600]

[[chilling-effect]] ====== Chilling effect (寒蝉效应)

It is really interesting to see how many people star the <<mirrors,GitHub repository>>, and then a few minutes later they think about how they might get put in jail, and then unstar it.

<> is able to see this because the star notification remains in the GitHub dashboard even after unstarring. It does not seem to be publicly visible permanently unlike other events which forever remain on the events API.

Unstarring events are exceedingly rare in Ciro's other repositories.

The expression https://www.quora.com/What-does-the-expression-two-steps-forward-one-step-back-mean[two steps forward, one step back] comes to mind.

Luckily in this case, it does not seem possible to view who unstarred a repository after the fact:

[[my-paranoia-as-a-russian-youtuber]] .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-hCdbsyWw0 "my paranoia as a Russian YouTuber" by <> (2020) talks about the <> video::_-hCdbsyWw0[youtube,height=400,width=600]

[[intolerance]] ===== Most Chinese people don't care about the minorities

How can you be that certain that your children won't have dissident ideas and be punished unfairly for them?

Intolerance is a risky way to live. Everyone is part of one minority in one way. If all minorities were oppressed, everyone would be oppressed.

Dictatorships crush minorities much more than democracies.

Do think the majority of the Chinese people would vote to put 50 year old <> meditating <<ciro-santilli-mother-in-law-jail,aunties in jail>>, if the CCP hadn't made a huge propaganda campaign and used an iron fist?

Are the Chinese really that selfish to vote for this oppression, even as the <<censorship,free media>> would show videos of meditating old ladies in jail on national television? <> does not believe this.

Minorities are put in jail because the CCP fears them. Dictatorships can only survive if there is zero difference in opinion in the population.

The famous https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...[First they came ...] text comes to mind in which <<nazi,the priest Martin Niemöller regrets not having supported the rights of his opponents that were unfairly treated by the Nazi Government>>:


First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out + Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out + Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out + Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me + and there was no one left to speak for me.

See also:

====== This is Ciro Santilli's personal problem, we have nothing to do with it, stop punishing us for it

We have to fight for justice for our fellows, or else when injustice happens to us, no one will fight for use either: <>.

Every form of protest incurs some damage. E.g., if we manifest on the street, it generates a traffic jam.

<> doesn't like it, but he thinks it is worth it.

If you just work to make money and have a good life, without any plans to improve the government, you are just making the economy of the dictatorship stronger, then when they start a <<war,war>> or kill yet another minority, blood will also be on your hands. See also: <>.

[[stability]] ====== If anyone disagrees with the government they must be punished to keep the stability of the country

Destroying diversity is the best way to reach a point where everyone can agree to start <<war,a new big war and destroy everything>>.

The CCP thrives on the excessive <<evil-west,fear it instigates into its own people>>.

How can society improve, if we are never allowed to try new things out?

Change in democracies does not require <<violence,violence>>. Violence happens because the government punishes any dissidence, even if pacific, to retain its own power.

In democracies, radical policy changes happen without dropping a single drop of blood. People vote, and policies change, end of the story. In https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy[JFK's] words:

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable

See also:

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXRG7yiqR3I Passage of Kennedy's discourse that contains the quote "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". video::Iwpr55PZEJ8[youtube,height=400,width=600]

=== There are bad things happening all over the world, why doesn't Ciro Santilli fight for those causes as well/instead?

We have to choose the one we think is the worst, and focus on it.

What is worse is a subjective choice. For <>:

  • he <<why-does-ciro-santilli-love-china-so-much,loves China and Ciro's Chinese wife>>, see also: <>, and doesn't want it to get fucked further by the CCP
  • he hates dictatorships, and China is the largest one by population/GDP/link:https://www.ploughshares.org/world-nuclear-stockpile-report[nuclear stockpile], and therefore <<war,the most dangerous>>

Ciro <<keyword-choice,SO username>> and <<better-to-do,protest time>> are not infinite.

However, it is good that different people have different interests, and someone will surely be fighting for whatever cause you care about.

See also:

  • <>
  • <>
  • <>

[[western-democracies-are-not-perfect]] ==== Western democracies are not perfect (西方的民主有很多缺点)

That is definitely true.

Nothing is perfect in this world.

<> just believes that they are way better than a <> like China, and that the Chinese government <<evil-west,brainwashes its people to think that the West is evil to stay in power>>.

As link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority[Churchill] once brilliantly link:https://richardlangworth.com/worst-form-of-government[put it]:

Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.

However, this is all obviously subjective, and believing that dictatorship is a better form of government is also a valid belief, e.g. <>.

If you find an event on a Western democracy that you would like to highlight, send a pull request.

We will not however include events that are not currently censored.

Every country did fucked-up things in the past, the question is if they currently allow discussion about it or not.

Posts that only mention <<evil-west,"evil West">> non-censored events without adding anything to the discussion will be marked as <> and treated as such, since spamming those is the primary <> technique to stop intelligent discussion.

The reason why "Evil China" posts are not shitposts in general on the other hand, is that they have one specific purpose: <<why-keyword-attack, to destroy censorship>>.

This "Western censorship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copypasta[copypasta] string" https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/gct0ox/all_moderation_services_suspended_for_the_next_24/fpeends/[was posted automatically] by a bot during <<anti-ccp-info-sources,r/China>> purge day:

North Dakota Access Pipeline Protests 北达科他州接入管道抗议 + Ferguson Riots 弗格森暴动 + 2017 St. Louis protests2017 年圣路易斯抗议活动 + Nuclear testing at Bikini Atoll 比基尼环礁的核试验 + Unite the Right rally 团结右集会 + Charlotte riots 夏洛特暴动 + Attack on the Sui-ho Dam 袭击穗河水坝 + Milwaukee riots 密尔沃基骚乱 + Shooting of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile 奥尔顿·斯特林和菲兰多·卡斯蒂利亚的射击 + Occupation of the Malheur NationalWildlife Refuge Malheur国家野生动物保护区的占领 + death of Freddie Gray 弗雷迪·格雷的死 + Shooting of Michael Brown迈克尔·布朗的拍摄 + death of Eric Garner, Oakland California 奥克兰奥克兰市埃里克·加纳(Eric Garner)逝世 + Operation Condor 神鹰行动 + Occupy WallStreet 占领华尔街 + My Lai Massacre 我的大屠杀 + St. Petersburg, Florida 佛罗里达州圣彼得堡 + Kandahar Massacre 坎大哈屠杀 + 1992 Washington Heights riots 1992年华盛顿高地暴动 + No Gun Ri Massacre 无枪杀案 + L.A. Rodney King riots 洛杉矶罗德尼·金暴动 + 1979 Greensboro Massacre 1979年格林斯伯勒大屠杀 + Vietnam War 越南战争 + Kent State shootings肯特州枪击案 + Bombing of Tokyo 轰炸东京 + San Francisco Police Department Park Station bombing 旧金山警察局公园站爆炸案 + Assassination of MartinLuther King, Jr. 小马丁·路德·金遭暗杀。 + Long Hot Summer of 1967 1967年炎热的夏天 + Bagram 巴格拉姆 + Selma to Montgomery marches 塞尔玛到蒙哥马利游行 + Highway of Death 死亡之路 + Ax Handle Saturday 星期六斧头 + Battle of Evarts 埃瓦茨战役 + Battle ofBlair Mountain 布莱尔山战役 + McCarthyism 麦卡锡主义 + Red Summer 红色夏天 + Rock Springs massacre 岩泉大屠杀 + Pottawatomie massacre 盆大屠杀 + Jeju uprising 济州起义 + Colfaxmassacre 科尔法克斯大屠杀 + Reading Railroad massacre 阅读铁路大屠杀 + Rock Springs massacre 岩泉大屠杀 + Bay viewMassacre 湾景大屠杀 + Lattimer massacre 拉蒂默大屠杀 + Ludlow massacre 拉德洛屠杀 + Everett massacre 埃弗里特屠杀Centralia Massacre 中部大屠杀 + Ocoee massacre Ocoee大屠杀 + Herrin Massacre 赫林大屠杀 + Redwood Massacre红木大屠杀 + Columbine Mine Massacre 哥伦拜恩矿难 + Guantanamo Bay 关塔那摩湾 + extraordinary rendition 非凡的演绎 + Abu Ghraib torture and prison abuse 阿布格莱布的酷刑和监狱虐待 + Henry Kissinger 亨利·基辛格 <> + https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-Nation_Alliance[Eight-Nation Alliance] (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/八國聯軍[八國聯軍]) (1900) + https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unequal_treaty[Unequal treaty] (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/不平等条约[不平等条约]) (1842-1933) +

See also:

.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signe_Wilkinson[Signe Wilkinson] 2017 Free Speech "Can you just move it so it doesn't cover them?" (TODO proper translation, with a quickly fixed up Google Translate: 你可以移动雨伞以使其不会遮盖住他们吗?) umbrella cartoon. Ciro once saw a <> post this. It made him smile. If the cartoon were about <<dictatorship,dictatorships>>, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Sam[Uncle Sam] would be instead <<intolerance,decapitating and raping the people on one half of the umbrella>>. Of course humans are <<flg-intolerance,shit in democracies as well>>, but at least that system makes it harder for them to oppress each other. http://www.cartoonistgroup.com/store/add.php?iid=161799[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Free_speech_umbrella.jpg[height=400]

.At https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues/260 ((https://archive.ph/mtZeM[archive])a <> posted this image of <> protesters outside the American embassy in London in September 2008 protesting against the Guantanamo Bay camps. The wumao used this to criticize Guantanamo bay, saying that it was like <> but in the USA, apparently unaware that this was a staged protest. So it actually has the exact opposite effect than intended: because there is no <>, here people in the West can together to denounce something they don't like. Imagine if a crowd of 100 people in China got together to denounce the Xinjiang camps! They'd go to jail immediately. Furthermore as Ciro repeated a million times: Guantanamo bay detainees are not American citizens, and democracies cannot fully protect people who can't vote. In China however, no one can vote, so everyone can be oppressed. https://kids.britannica.com/students/assembly/view/171145[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Guantanamo_bay_protest_London_2008.jpg[height=600]

[[henri-meyer]] .French political cartoon from 1898 by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Meyer[Henri Meyer] showing leaders of Western powers, Russia and Japan splitting up China between them. The CCP would arguably <<not-chinese,not have raised to power if not due to Japanese interference>>. Maybe the West deserves the <<nazi,Nazi>> CCP they helped create, much like post World War I treaties helped create Nazi Germany. Colonialism was horrendous. As a Brazillian, <> knows this all too well. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:China_imperialism_cartoon.jpg[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/China_imperialism_cartoon.jpg[height=500]

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[[two-wrongs]] ===== Two wrongs don't make a right (积非成是)

[[racist-west]] ===== The West is racist against black people (西方人对黑人有种族主义)

Label: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aracist-west[racist-west]

<<wumao,wumaos>> notably mention:

<>'s started posting "I can't breathe" everywhere, to which some people on Twitter replied "I can't tweet" and <> made a cartoon: https://www.rfa.org/english/cartoons/twitter-china-cartoon-06052020164712.html

The murder video went viral and was not taken down (would have been in China), all four officers were charged, and the event sparked nation wide protests:

Of course there is racism in the West. And we must recognize that, and fight it.

But <> feels strongly that the Chinese are also obviously at least as racist against blacks, if not more, based on conversations he's had/overheard, and other circumstantial indications:

Oh, and the USA, and other Western countries besides Germany, were also racist against Jews, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Feynman[Richard Feynman] could not be admitted in certain universities due to a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_quota[Jewish quota], even though he was not a believer himself, therefore based on race alone!

.Racism in the West vs racism in China. Of course there is racism in the West against black people. But the people have the choice to speak up against it to try and change things. In China however, speaking up against Muslim racism, means going to jail. Image sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:George_Floyd_neck_knelt_on_by_police_officer.png[murder of George Floyd], https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:George_Floyd_protests_in_Philadelphia_02.jpg[George Floyd protests in Philadelphia], https://mvslim.com/re-education-camps-for-muslims-chinas-muslim-community-the-uyghurs-are-facing-a-new-level-of-oppression[Xinjiang prisoners], https://www.reuters.com/world/china/what-people-said-hong-kong-tiananmen-anniversary-2021-06-04/[Tiananmen Square on 2021-06-03], the anniversary of <>. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Racism_in_the_West_vs_China_George_Floyd_vs_Xinjiang.jpg[height=700]

[[we-dont-hire-blacks-by-aaron-dewitt-2020]] ====== We Don't Hire Blacks by Aaron Dewitt (我们不雇用黑人, 2020)

This amazing video was originally uploaded to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d81mEbL8Yw8 by <> on 2020-09-21 but it was down as of 2021-06-21. Last <> archive as of that date: 2020-11-03.

The video description was:

This is an exposé of racist companies that I worked for, some of which operate in the United States and Canada, all of which are headquartered in China.

In it, Aaron describes his experiences with the recruitment team of one of his former employers, an unnamed "Chinese ed-tech company in Beijing", for which he worked in human resources. In another also deleted video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6uFGGunRxc he mentions that he cannot mention the name of the company because he was under NDA.

Notably, in that video, he gives several screenshots of Google Sheets spreadsheets with explicitly racist reasons why people were not hired, one of which is <<we-dont-hire-blacks-screenshot,reproduced here>>. Examples of such reasons include:

  • "Skin color"
  • "Non-Caucasian"
  • "62-years old"
  • "elderly"
  • "Hispanic"

He mentions:

On the first day at this company, I had an orientation with my supervisor Ng, who is the head of the training department. She told me:

"We hire blacks. Obama black is OK. But no darker, or they'll scare the kids. The kids will think they're some kind of monster!"

which would lead parents to just go to a competitor instead. Then he mentions about the Google Sheets documents that:

They shared this document with the entire management team in Beijing, and everyone not only knew, but expected this discrimination to take place.

In the video he also explains how he once went to a 2 week holiday to Bali, and when he came back with his skin darker due to the tanning, he was reprimanded by a manager, who said that he could not work looking like that.

He explicitly mentions later the video that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIPKid[VIPKid], for which he did not work, is a similar company in nature, but not the one he is talking about.

Wikipedia mentions about VIPKid

Its online-classroom portal enables students to receive 25-minute English language lessons from fluent English-speaking teachers.

In March 2019, VIPKid fired two American teachers for discussing the 1989 <> and <> with their students in China. Teachers have also reported witnessing child abuse when teaching lessons, but they found little recourse to report such issues.

As of 2021-05-05, the banner image of VIPKid's website explicitly includes a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokenism[token black person]: https://web.archive.org/web/20210505045920/https://www.vipkid.com/[], so their PR department clearly caught air of this. This is however only a frontend for hiring American teachers. The real Chinese client website https://www.vipkid.com.cn/[], rest assured, contains no black people: (https://web.archive.org/web/20210424032446/https://www.vipkid.com.cn/[archive])

VIPKids had a 3 billion valuation in https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/21/chinas-vipkid-which-links-native-english-speakers-with-online-learners-raises-another-500m-reportedly-at-3b-valuation/

Wikipedia links as one of its sources to this 2019 article https://www.wired.com/story/when-online-teaching-job-becomes-window-child-abuse/[] which mentions:

Of the dozens of companies vying to cash in on the tutoring business, it is by far the largest, having raised $825 million in investment capital since its founding. Other major players include Qkids, Magic Ears, DaDa, and Gogokid, all based in China.

so it is overwhelmingly likely that one of those is the one mentioned Aaron is talking about:

  • Qkids
  • Magic Ears
  • DaDa
  • Gogokid

Later in the video Aaron mentions that the company in question "basically went bankrupt".

He also mentions that he later worked for https://www.forbes.com/companies/offcn-education-technology/?sh=6d49822b4e45[offcn], which is run by the Chinese Government, and they would absolutely not hire black people.

[[we-dont-hire-blacks-screenshot]] .Screenshot of the video <> showing a list racist job interview candidate rejection reasons. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/We_don_t_hire_blacks_by_Aaron_DeWitt_2020.jpg[height=500]

===== Western democracies have invaded other countries and crushed separatism

Yes, <<western-democracies-are-not-perfect,Western democracies are not perfect>>.

What matters is that citizens can disagree with those actions, publicly say it, vote accordingly, and not go to jail, so that policy will be changed if the majority so wants.

In China, the minority controls the majority, and the majority cannot say anything even if they disagree.

If the majority wants to do evil however, evil will get done, it is impossible to prevent that.

People from other countries don't vote for your politicians in democracy. Therefore, democracies cannot protect them.

What democracy does do well is to <<brainwashed-by-usa,reduce the chance that enough of the population will be brainwashed>> into <<war,starting war with other superpowers and destroy the world>>.

Do you really think <<chinese-politicians-really-care-about-the-chinese-citizens,China wouldn't invade a country they need resources from because they are more humane>>?

<>. China is already invading its own citizens right now as of 2020 to obtain resources! <>. And it is using the exact same excuse as the American politicians: terrorism!

Even when the US invades another country, the people who support the US enemy can still pick up arms and fight. And Russia can send help if they want to annoy the Americans, making local resistance stand an actual chance. But when you oppress your own people, they are completely defenseless, and 100% certain to be fully oppressed, since no foreign country would risk world war 3 by sending help.

Do you really think that the CCP would give a fuck about invading other countries? And furthermore, China is specifically oppressing Islamic people in Xinjiang, exactly the same religion of people who live where? In the Middle East.

Xinjiang is China's Middle East.

The reason the USA has invaded countries in the Middle east and China hasn't yet is a mixture of:

  • the USA is more developed, and has greater fuel needs, and greater capacity to carry such a war.

Although as we've seen, they've been essentially losing those wars quite often now, by not saying long enough to establish a new stable government. + Part of their defeat is also due to <>, and increasingly China, helping the other side however.

  • the Middle East is full of dictatorships, and <<dictatorships-tend-to-work-together,dictatorships are natural allies of other dictatorships>> therefore it is more likely that they won't invade one another.
  • the Cold War is still fresh in the American mind. Oil is crucial to fight a war. Countries will do anything to survive, even if it means killing others.

<> is not saying that any of this justifies the actions of the Western powers in the Middle East. But simply that it has nothing to do with democracy or non-democracy.

See also:

  • <>
  • <>

[[hate-speech]] ===== Western democracies also censor subjects such as child porn and hate speech

First, child porn and hate speech are also banned in China, so shut up. <<china-has-more-freedom-of-speech-than-the-usa,every type of speech>> is less free in <>.

Second, if you don't think child porn should be banned, there isn't much point in arguing with you.

Now, hate speech is a very complex subject. <> does feel that we should be very careful when banning hate speech, and he is not sure if it should be banned at all, as perhaps it might just make matters worse.

But of course, there is also censorship in Western democracies, and there is a gray area between what should be censored or not.

<> only argues that there is on type of speech that must never ever be <<censorship,censored>>: political speech.

This way, the majority can always discuss and vote to change what can be censored or not.

In China, however, trying to discuss such changes in laws <<internal-censorship,puts you in jail>>, so bad laws cannot be changed. This lack of freedom <<most-chinese-people-like-their-dictatorship,also gives the impression to many brainwashed Chinese>> that dicatorships are better because you see less conflict online. Which is great, until your human rights are violated, and you've got no one to talk to.

The lack of ability to discuss political problems leads to extremely serious problems:

  • <>: politicians can <<internal-censorship,censor>> anything bad that they did to stay in power
  • <>: if the CCP leaders decide that a war must be made, everyone who opposes it will go to jail, and the war will be made
  • <>: if the CCP decides that <<xinjiang,some minority>> is <<falun-gong,a danger to their power>>, this minority gets fucked

Deciding on hate speech, means having to decide what level of hardcoreness we are willing to accept, and there is no clear right or wrong answer.

For example, which of the following do you think should be banned:

  • This scientific study suggests that white people do less well in IQ tests.
  • This scientific study suggests that black people do less well in IQ tests.
  • I'm an idiotic irrational racist and I dislike white/black people. I won't kill them, but I dislike them, and I can't change that, I'm really sorry.
  • Let's all gather together and kill our black/white/gay/straight/Muslim/Christian neighbours tomorrow.
  • Let's all gather together and kill our oppressive dictator/president tomorrow.

Ciro believes that none of the above should ever be censored, because any form of "hate-speech censorship" immediately opens a precedent for political censorship.

If someone is idiotic enough to organize illegal acts like hurting someone publicly before doing it, it will just make it easier for them to get caught.

And if its just empty words, just block those idiots to not see their posts, or downvotes their posts to reduce their impact.

And if the majority supports idiotic acts like killing someone because of their race, it will get done in a democracy regardless, because that's what democracies do: they cater to what the majority wants.

There's not point in censoring them. Such censorship only makes things worse, as the perpetrators will use that as publicity for their cause.

See also:

====== Fake news

When a government controls all information to make it look good, and no one can challenge it, you cannot trust any of the news produced by that country, as anything could be fake.

It is much better to have some fake news, but also few sources that are likely telling the truth.

<> is also extremely critical of Western social media companies such as <> and Facebook which have censored "fake news" from real legitimate accounts or real people, which is a point that Trump has justly criticized in Ciro's opinion.

If it is from a Chinese/Russian botnet, sure, destroy those accounts.

But from legitimate accounts of citizens? The people have to decide for themselves what is fake or real, not you, Twitter and Facebook. If the majority is made of idiots who believe in fake news, then so be it, that's how democracy works.

Censoring any citizen, no matter how stupid you think they are, creates a precedent for dictatorship, and even an <<luxor,incentive to terrorism>>.

More interesting case is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight_First_Amendment_Institute_v._Trump[]. Ciro feels strongly that people who try to have meaningful discussions on Twitter should automatically lose a lawsuit, and that people should be able to block whoever they want from their personal controlled accounts or forums. It is only the companies who provide the forum service that must be neutral.

====== Unjust social media censorship in the West

All of those banning should not be done. If the people want to rebel, they must be allowed to communicate and rebel.

*** https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/can-employers-discriminate-based-on-political-beliefs-or-affiliation.html + <> however believes that discussing politics at work is not an efficient way to go about it, because you will be discussion amongst a small group of people since companies are opaque to the outside. Unless maybe if you feel that you employee is directly attempting to influence politics in a way that you feel is unfair. + Ciro believes without evidence that unfortunately anti-discrimination-hiring laws are likely inefficient, as it is too hard to convict anyone. And that providing equal education through scholarships to unprivileged groups and university entry selection where examiners cannot see the applicant's race is the only way.


[[politically-incorrect]] ====== Censorship of "politically incorrect speech"

<> strongly believes that this is a problem with Wester social media. For example in <> Stack Overflow forbade Ciro from saying:

I think Trump is disgusting as a person

because they thought Trump would become sad and cry.

Western governments should pass laws that prevent this kind of arbitrary political censorship by companies.

But of course as usual: <<censorship,censorship in a dictatorship like China is always a million times worse>>.

[[please-enjoy-this-politically-correct-cartoon]] ."Please enjoy this culturally ethnically religiously and politically correct cartoon responsibly" cartoon by Michael Shaw from the New Yorker (2006) makes a reference to the fact that all humour is a criticism of something, and that excessive political correctness can be used as a way to limit free speech. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Please_enjoy_this_politically_correct_cartoon.jpg[height=400]

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiqDZlAZygU Rowan Atkinson (Mr. Bean) defending freedom of speech in the context of the http://reformsection5.org.uk/[Reform Section 5] campaign to remove all criminalization of insults. The campaigns slogan was "Feel free to insult me!". He then quotes: "The strongest weapon against hateful speech is not repression, it is more speech" from https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/25/remarks-president-un-general-assembly[an Obama speech]. video::BiqDZlAZygU[youtube,height=400,width=600]

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNjYSns0op0 Munk Debate on Political Correctness (2018) features Stephen Fry and Jordan Peterson speaking against political correctness. Those dudes are awesome. https://youtu.be/rJOMYEXK6cs?t=150 summarizes it well. video::MNjYSns0op0[youtube,height=400,width=600]

===== Western society is extremely unequal

Exactly! And this is something <> fights daily against through his open source contributions.

And politicians don't really care enough. Partially because:

  • the poor don't have access to proper education and vote less often
  • corporations pay for their election campaigns
  • many of the politicians are rich themselves

But do you really think that further increasing the power concentration as done is China is going to help reduce inequality?

If so, you have been <<stupid,brainwashed beyond reason>>. Increasing the concentration of power <<chinese-politicians-really-care-about-the-chinese-citizens,will obviously make society even more unequal>> and <<corruption,corrupt>>, never less.

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHFrhIAj0ME Can't get you out of my head - Part 1 (2021) documentary by Adam Curtis for the BBC. This awesome documentary suggests and explains why Western politicians care less and less about the people, and why Western companies have gained more and more power. It also mentions how after China gave up on communism and became a capitalist country, it completely lost any guiding ideal. The West still had the ideal of democracy. But for China, there was only one thing left: money. Our dear <> is of course doing his best to instill nationalism into China to fill that void. What could <<war,possible go wrong with that>>? video::MHFrhIAj0ME[youtube,height=400,width=600]

[[life-of-brian-1979]] ===== Life of Brian (布莱恩的一生, 1979)

This movie was almost banned in Britain at the time due to lobbying by Christian groups as shown in <>.

Key scenes:

  • <<life-of-brian-nazi-jew,Nazi Jew scene from The Life of Brian>>

====== The secret Life of Brian (2007)

Documentary about <>.

Key points:

  • <>


[[snowden]] ===== Snowden (斯诺登)

Censoring anyone who says "my president is shit", which is what China does, is much, much more serious than censoring intelligence leaks.

The problem with dictatorships, is that they make every information that makes them look bad a "state secret". Including any information that hundreds of thousands of people have witnessed, or economic performance metrics! See also: <>.

The level of unknown surveillance that Snowden uncovered is a bad thing about the US.

Snowden's prosecution was inevitable. Countries need secret services. Secret services need laws that prevent leaking classified information that was produced by government officials.

<> has never and will never criticize China or any other country for spying or prosecuting spies.

If Snowden were Chinese, the Chinese government would ban talking about him or anything he uncovered. A <<keyword-attack,keyword attack>> with "Snowden" in the West has no effect.

It is obvious that the level of surveillance in any dictatorship will be infinitely higher, since the Government has much more power and no-one can criticize.

On the West however, the debate Snowden sparked cannot be censored, and has helped to control excessive and secret state power.

Ultimately, Ciro thinks camera surveillance is somewhat inevitable, because people will always want to fight crime and terrorism and surveillance technology keeps getting cheaper and cheaper.

He is however strictly against the ban of cryptography.

He also believes that a good solution to balance out government power is the <>. It is better to have more school shootings and less full-blown dictatorship led genocides / mass human rights violations.

In 2019 China amusingly censored passages Snowden's "Permanent Record" autobiography book, which Snowden then published on Twitter:

As a https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/dv5q8o/china_censors_edward_snowdens_new_book_he/f7axckl/[Redditor put it]:

I don't think they understand that what Snowden stands for is completely the opposite of what the Chinese gov is lol

Snowden then later released the entire Chinese version of the book for free online with the censored parts underlined: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/10/snowden_china_censorship (https://web.archive.org/web/20200213001653/https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/10/snowden_china_censorship[archive]), link to the book: link:++https://a.temporaryrecord.com/Permanent_Record_-_CN_edition_with_underlined_redactions.pdf++[] (https://web.archive.org/web/20200212144108/https://a.temporaryrecord.com/Permanent_Record_-_CN_edition_with_underlined_redactions.pdf[archive]). One wonders why he didn't just do that in the first place for all versions, maybe he needed to pay the writer that helped him?

.Snowden highlighted defects on abuses of power in a Western democracy, and the discussion he sparked helped to control such abuses. <<to-obey-is-to-betray,To obey is to betray>> comes to mind. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Edward_Snowden-2.jpg[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Snowden.jpg[height=500]

===== Bad things have been done in the name of freedom

E.g.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks[September 11th].

Bad things have been done in the name of anything.

It's just that <<war,much>>, <<xinjiang,worse>> <<tiananmen,things>> are done without freedom than with it.

Democracies cannot necessarily protect weak countries from powerful ones either. No political system can do that, because humans are trash essentially.

What democracy do is to protect its own people against its own government. Because when the government turns against part of the population in a dictatorship, that part of the population gets crushed entirely, without any chance to fight, because they don't have an army or ally countries like other countries do.

Here are some images that <>'s like to post:

[[ccp-evil]] === Is the Chinese government evil? 中国共产党是邪恶吗?

Obviously not, just <<richer,inefficient>> and <<war,dangerous>>.

It is just another non-democratic empire like the Qing Dynasty, we might as well cal it:

共产朝 + The Communist Dynasty

Expression previously mentioned at: https://web.archive.org/web/20161025220242/http://tieba.baidu.com/p/752094668

Like any other organization and individual everywhere in the entire world, they are just doing everything that they can to maintain their own power.

It just happens that China's the current is political system allows the CCP to do really bad things.

And it should also be noted that <<henri-meyer,it is in part the West's fault>> that China currently has this shitty system.

<> thinks otherwise of course, they think the CCP is actually made up of real actual devils in some dimension: <>. E.g. on the https://endccp.com/ Falun Gong lead campaign:

The demon CCP has plundered the ancient land of China

==== Chinese politicians really care about the Chinese citizens

Sometimes people say Ciro Santilli is naive.

Politicians are the same all over the world.

Some might have good intentions, but most don't give a shit about anyone else.

But all must play a careful political game, and sometimes betray their own beliefs to not lose power entirely.

Even those that genuinely care might have to play such political games.

China's problem is not its politicians.

It's the current shitty political organization, which allows/convinces those politicians to do really bad things: <>, <> and <>.

Western politicians don't care about the people either: <>. But at least they have to pretend a little.

By John Kenneth Galbraith, possibly based on an earlier <> joke https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ocasio-cortez-capitalism-quote/[]:

Under capitalism, man oppresses man. Under socialism, it's just the opposite.

==== Is Chinese politician X evil?

The term evil does not make sense unless you are <<falun-gong,religious>>.

The best definition of evil is a psychopath with zero empathy for anyone: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy although this can be better characterized as a disease or extreme personality trait.

The huge majority of those politicians are just regular dudes with a knack for politics but brought up in a fucked up political situation.

Just like you, Ciro Santilli and other politicians in any country.

See also: <>.

[[nazi]] === Comparisons between the CCP and Nazi Germany (纳粹德国)

As of 2020, the <> is much more like Nazi Germany than it is like the <>.

We must however be careful not to demonize the Nazis, as that is not a helpful way to learn from the past.

The Nazis were also people like us, and that is the scary thing we must never forget, thus we should never fall for:


  • Xitler (习特勒). 习 "xi2" is very close in sound to the Chinese name of Hitler: https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/阿道夫·希特勒[希特勒] (xi1 te4 le4)
  • Chinazi (赤纳粹 Chi Na Cui). TODO why 赤. Means Red, which is a reference to Communism, although red was of course it was also the color of the original Nazis. But where else is it used? Chi is also chosen to achieve the sound "Chi Na" as a variant of <>

The most notable aspect is the persecution of minorities of course, notably <> and <> which closely ressembles that of the Jews, see also: <>.

See also: <>.


https://www.southbankresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/9/2020/01/ZHA-issue-2510-free.pdf has a good quote:

Would you have stood up to Hitler when he came to power? Or would you have been an appeaser, like Chamberlain? Or perhaps even a supporter of fascism, like the Daily Mail's owner at the time?

We all like to imagine we're courageous enough to stand up to tyranny and persecution. That we would have stood up to the villains of the past. Seen them for what they really were, even helped rescue their victims from danger. We certainly don't like to think we would have bought their goods or funded, invested in their economies...

Well today, you're going to find out what you're made of.

TODO some failed attempts at ASCII art flags:

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.Photoshopped <> with raised fist with Nazi uniform and flag on the background. https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/cuf3p7/chinazi_xitler/[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Xi_Nazi_war_flag.jpg[height=400]

.Likely original or similar image of <> with raised fist as he took oath when coming into or renewing office. http://www.china.org.cn/opinion/2018-03/19/content_50723040.htm[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Xi_raised_fist.jpg[height=400]

.German's 1938-1945 war flag called the "War Ensign of Germany" in English or "Reichskriegsflagge" in German. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskriegsflagge[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Nazi_war_flag.png[height=400]

.Hitler has of course a few raised fists on Google Images, but they tend to be more aggressive, and less compatible with Xi's apathic poker face. http://bodylanguageproject.com/articles/adolf-hitler-practised-his-body-language-assessing-hitlers-bizarre-gestures-and-postures/[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Hitler_angry_rehearsal.jpg[height=400]

.Photoshopped cover of Mein Kampf with Xi's face on top of Hitler's and other modifications such as Mian instead of Mein, likely the same 面 (mian4, face) as the Chinese character at the bottom right. <> also comes to mind. https://foreignerinformosa.typepad.com/the_foreigner_in_formosa/2017/07/president-xitler-of-china-murders-political-dissident-liu-xiaobo.html[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Xi_mein_kampf.jpg[height=400]

.Original cover of Mein Kampf. link:++https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Adolf_Hitler_-_Mein_Kampf_(855._Auflage,_1943).pdf++[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Mein_kampf.jpg[height=400]

.Photoshopped photo of Hitler giving the Nazi salute from a car with Himmler on the background with Xi's face on top of Hitler's. https://chinhdangvu1.blogspot.com/2017/09/xitler-chinazism.html[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Xi_Nazi_car_salute_photoshop.jpg[height=400]

.Original photo of Hitler giving the Nazi salute from a car with Himmler on the background. This photo shows them reviewing SS troops during a Reichsparteitag (Reich Party Day) parade in Nuremberg (1938-09-05 - 1938-09-12). https://aboutholocaust.org/en/facts/who-was-adolf-hitler[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Hitler_Himmler_salute.jpg[height=400]

.Chinazi flag (赤纳粹旗) by <<2019-hong-kong-anti-extradition-bill-protests,Hong Kong protesters>>. Seen https://chinadigitaltimes.net/chinese/2019/08/【盛世一景】赤纳粹旗(chinazi-flag)/[on streets]. https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/dbrken/google_bomb_china_flag_search_query_into_chinazi/[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Chinazi_flag.png[height=400]

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD53MEbLDIE <<serpentza-laowhy86,laowhy86>> video "Can We Compare China to Nazi Germany?" published on 2020-04-29. Good side-by-side video comparisons. Says that China is more like Nazi than <>, but Ciro disagrees, all three are <<is-chinese-politician-x-evil,evil dictatorships>>. video::wD53MEbLDIE[youtube,height=400,width=600]

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_and_Webb[Mitchell and Webb] "Are we the Baddies?" Nazi Sketch. In this sketch, Mitchel, a cute self-conscious Nazi, starts to wonder with Webber, his Nazi friend, if they aren't on the side of evil, particularly due to the usage of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totenkopf[Nazi skulls (Totenkopf)] on their uniforms. This echoes <<goring-nuremberg,Goring's appearance on the Nuremberg trials>>. Like the CCP, many Nazis thought of course that they were doing great things. video::hn1VxaMEjRU[youtube,height=400,width=600]

[[hitler-has-only-got-one-ball]] ==== Hitler Has Only Got One Ball (希特勒只有一个蛋, 1939)

We have to make a <> version of this!!!

There's even an https://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/Hitler_Has_Only_Got_One_Ball[Uncencyclopedia page for it].

.http://bodylanguageproject.com/xarticles/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Hitler-8.jpg[Left source], https://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/Hitler_Has_Only_Got_One_Ball[right source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Hitler_has_only_got_one_ball.jpg[height=400]

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1tF-Yrwe3U A version of the "Hitler Has Only Got One Ball" song. video::w1tF-Yrwe3U[youtube,height=400,width=600]

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1DWJQkOJew The Armstrong and Miller Show "Hitler Has Only Got One Ball" sketch depicts in a funny way the imaginary creation of the song. video::Y1DWJQkOJew[youtube,height=400,width=600]

=== Contributing guidelines

[[shitpost]] ==== I want to take my chances and make a shitpost in cirosantilli/china-dictatorship (屎帖子)

So, have you reached the conclusion that your https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shitposting[shitpost] is link:CONTRIBUTING.md[worth the risk of getting blocked]?

Remember that shitposts can also be creative: if you are going to insult Ciro Santilli, at least do it in a creative way, or else you look like an even bigger idiot than you really are.

A collection of shitposts for you to take inspiration from can be found at: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues?q=label%3Ashitpost+

Also, when opening a shitpost you may mark it clearly such with the shitpost issue template which automatically assigns the shitpost label. Doing so will make you look like less of an idiot.

While we require polite replies to polite posts, no matter what which side they are defending, if a post is marked as a shitpost, things are much more relaxed and fun, and you can generally get away with telling the OP to fuck themselves link:CONTRIBUTING.md[without getting blocked].

.Real shit photos may be posted in reply to shitposts. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Human_Feces_(cropped).jpg[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Shit.jpg[height=400]

.Amazing shitposts may recieve a Golden Shit award and the https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/labels/golden-shit[golden-shit label]. The image is from a Japanese https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kin_no_unko[Kin no unko (金のうんこ)], which is likely inspired by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sycee[golden Sycees]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kin_no_unko.jpg[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Kin_no_unko.jpg[height=500]

.To <<censorship,censor>> or not to censor good shitposts: that is not the question, <> will never censor them! https://imgur.com/gallery/rA0K90g[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Like_shitposts.jpg[height=600]

[[caonima]] .The legendary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grass_Mud_Horse[Grass Mud Horse (草泥马, caonima)] is also said to appear in shitposts from time to time. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Caonima.jpg[height=600]

==== I am going to write a huge wall of text to prove my point

Feel free to do that, but no one will ever read most of it.

If you want your comment to be read, choose your key point well, and deliver it.

It is a shame that most people who are ever able to do that are <<shitpost,shitposters>>, but credit where credit is due.

==== Can I contact Ciro Santilli in Chinese?

If you don't know English well enough, that's fine though, go for Chinese, Ciro Santilli will likely understand it: <>.

But if you do, use English.

Ciro is not going to learn Chinese because of your message.

It is more productive for you to write in English, so that the rest of the West can also learn something new.

Especially since it seems that most Chinese already know what you are talking about, so you are better off teaching Western people about it.

[[slang]] ===== I am going to use a bunch of Chinese slangs because it makes me feel smart 我知道网络语言,我很聪明

Obviously, if you want to be understood, use simple and standard Chinese, since as Ciro has already stated clearly, his Chinese sucks: <>.

Avoid slangs, otherwise Ciro might not have patience to Google your useless slangs down <<zhihu,Zhihu>> questions.

Of course, if you have to read this, you likely are not going to say anything useful in the first place, so not reading your post is likely fine, just make sure to mark it as a <> if you don't want Ciro to think you are a complete idiot.

Using slangs makes some people feel smart due their advanced knowledge of a specific subculture, or makes them feel part of that subculture to gather allies. I.e., it is a form of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibboleth[shibboleth]. It mainly comes down to a way of avoiding any rational conversation about China's obvious problems by highlighting <>.

Or maybe they just want to waste Ciro's time.

Such idiots don't see however that every major slang is Googleable, and that every overly obscure slang is already not understandable by a large part of the Chinese population, and won't be understood by anybody in 5 years, so that you are wasting your time writing this gibberish. But since you are an idiot, it's not like you have anything better to do with your time, so maybe it doesn't matter.

If you want to efficiently prevent anyone from understanding your stuff, Ciro recommends that you just use SHA-256 instead:

.... $ printf 'heil xi' | sha256sum 286b183bf41d6c9de5315bbd64f1ca35a58157ae2e7f38086978c108e67c4882 - ....

A Chinese insult tip 101, avoid similar sound euphemisms. If you are going to say shit at least grow some balls or tits and use the proper characters, Ciro will respect you more for it:

Places to try and decrypt Internet slang when you feel like wasting your time:

Random slangs of interest and related concepts:

Some useful slangs seen on the wild:

GitHub issue label: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues?q=label%3Ai-know-slangs-i-smart+

[[vagina]] .A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagina[Vagina] (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/阴道[阴道]) also known as cunt (屄), is the female reproductive organ, including the naturally occurring black hole that appears in front of it whenever a picture is taken to prevent <> from taking down this page. Even though <<porn,you've never seen one>>, there's no need to be afraid of it, and refer to it in euphemisms like "SB". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rugae_vaginales.jpg[Background source] and https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Black_Hole_Milkyway.jpg[black hole source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Rugae_vaginales_with_black_hole.jpg[height=400]

[[ruhua]] ====== Ruhua (to disgrace china, 辱华, 乳华)

Basically a 2 character slang for <> which cool people in the web use:

The pardox is: as soon as you start talking about ruhua, you start to risk getting banned in China, because most of ruhua is banned in China itself.

In this project for example: https://github.com/leiroc/insults the author is aiming to create a list of such insults. So someone came and suggested adding this project to the list at: https://github.com/leiroc/insults/issues/4[], which is obviouly censored in China, as an example. They even have an <> at https://insults.cn/[], isn't that cute?

To which the repo owner replied:


Google Translate:

Thanks for submitting, this person is a bit crazy. I won't add it to the record, because if you add it, you will see more people. Not everyone has the ability to distinguish between authenticity and falsehood for this information. I'm afraid that some people will believe him or be induced by him. Therefore, it is better to silence him and reduce exposure. These people and countries must have been monitoring them, so we can rest assured.

This perfecly shows the ruhua paradox. In the end, you are only allowed to talk about the most idiotic and insipid events, while censoring any serious self criticism.

<> also comes to mind.

TODO the README says that it is a static blog, but I can't find the source on GitHub anywhere, that repo contains almost nothing.

The large majority of posts are about <>, because those cowards retract their claims afterwards.

Some sample posts that are not about Western companies:

  • https://insults.cn/posts/4747/ NBA辱华事件是怎么回事?NBA莫雷辱华事件! (What happened to the NBA insult to China? NBA Morey insulting China incident!) about <>
  • https://insults.cn/posts/60695/ 如何判断一个老外夸中国,是发自真心,还是财富密码? (How to judge whether a foreigner praises China from his sincerity or the code of wealth?) is about <>
  • https://insults.cn/posts/64035/ 卖国求荣许秀中个人简历:留学生中的败类!汉奸中的“佼佼者”!西方媒体眼中的“宝藏女孩”! is about <>
  • https://insults.cn/posts/65025/ notepad{plus}{plus}辱华事件:作者Don HO在推特上公开发表辱华言论 (Notepad{plus}{plus} insulting China incident: author Don HO publicly published insulting remarks on Twitter) about <>
  • https://insults.cn/posts/64915/ 无脑黑中国,孙向文漫画辱华是为了自己要入日本籍,但他至今仍没有如愿 is about <>

[[shina]] ====== Shina (zhina, 支那)

Derogatory or humorous way to refer China. Occurrences:

  • <>

A variant sound "Chi Na" is also seen at Chinazi (赤纳粹) from <>.

[[internet-number-slang]] ====== Internet number slang (网络数字语言)

https://newrepublic.com/article/117608/chinese-number-websites-secret-meaning-urls highlights how numeric emails and URLs are especially popular in China, in part due to the ASCII/West-centrism of web standards: https://www.quora.com/What-is-126-com-and-why-are-they-the-owner-of-millions-of-good-domain-names/answer/Ciro-Santilli

Examples in this page:

  • <> is an example that is not phonetic, but just about meaning
  • 六四 used to refer to <>
  • https://www.12321.cn/web and http://12377.cn from <> are likely examples where older well known official phone numbers were just directly converted to URLs


=== Personal questions about Ciro Santilli

==== Has Ciro Santilli you ever lived in China?

Not as of 2019, he has only visited once in 2012, and it was <<does-ciro-santilli-hate-china,amazingly beautiful>>.

.Ciro Santilli with a stone carved https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budai[Budai (布袋和尚)] in the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Maitreya_and_disciples_carving_in_Feilai_Feng_Caves.jpg[Feilai Feng caves (飞来峰)] near the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingyin_Temple[Lingyin Temple (灵隐寺)] in Hangzhou taken during his legendary 2012 touristic trip to China. Will he ever be able to go to China again to re-experience such marvelous locations? If the CCP falls before he dies, and if the statue hasn't been destroyed by the commies, Ciro will return to that exact spot and take a second picture. How will he look like? image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Ciro_Santilli_with_a_stone_carved_Budai_in_the_Feilai_Feng_caves_near_the_Lingyin_Temple_in_Hangzhou_in_2012.jpg[height=500]

But he doesn't think it is a good idea for him to do that now, in case his Visa got accepted, because he is not interested in learning about the Chinese jail system! :-)

He knows that if you don't mind contributing to making <<war,WW3>> deadlier and shut up and obey the CCP, China is already a fine place to live as much as any other developing country.

===== Would Ciro Santilli like to live in China?

If the dictatorship ends, <> would like to <<does-ciro-santilli-hate-china,migrate to China>> if given a decent job to help China develop and become awesomer.

Before the Dictatorship, Ciro likely won't be able to enter/it wouldn't be a good idea: <>.

And it is immoral to help make dictatorships richer by working for their companies: <>.

===== Would Ciro Santilli be able to visit China before the CCP ends?

It would be interesting to apply for a VISA to find out.

But Ciro won't do it because it is too risky that it would be a waste of Ciro's precious <<better-to-do,time and money>>.

Firstly, https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45812399[Jamal Khashoggi] taught us that walking into enemy into consulates of enemy countries is a bad idea.

Then, even if the VISA were accepted, Ciro could still be turned back on entering the country, thus wasting the flight time and money. This could either be a genius plot to waste the money of enemies of the state, or due to a crappy divided IT system between the border control and the VISA people.

Finally, even after the border, there is still the possibility that Ciro could be stopped in the country half-way through the visit and sent back, or be interrogated for a few days, or less likely murdered with poison.

Therefore, if you think that living in China is fundamental to understand it, please just explain what you think one can learn from the experience instead. Do you really need to live there to see its censorship machine working? It would arguably be harder to see it from the inside.

See also: <>.

Bibliography: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues/93

[[is-ciro-santilli-chinese]] ==== Is Ciro Santilli Chinese? 三西猴是中国人吗?

See: https://cirosantilli.com/#ciro-santilli

And it does not matter: <>.

But <<why-does-ciro-santilli-love-china-so-much,his wife is>>.

[[does-ciro-santilli-speak-chinese]] ==== Does Ciro Santilli speak Chinese? 三西猴会说中文吗?

As of 2019, oral enough for daily things, but not understand most natural casual dinner conversation or watch TV series, because they go too quickly into vocabulary subject areas that he doesn't know. And obviously, using <<slang,slangs>> just makes things really hard.

When it matters, and with some patience, he can make himself understood though with https://xkcd.com/thing-explainer/[some analogies] (https://web.archive.org/web/20190908144612/https://xkcd.com/thing-explainer/[archive]) and a dictionary.

From the HSK vocabulary list, he estimates that he is definitely HSK 3, but not quite HSK 4. This would likely equate A2/B1 in the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_European_Framework_of_Reference_for_Languages[European system].

Phonetics wise, Ciro can't distinguish or produce a few sounds, notably -ing vs -in and his off-tone rate is high, but it tends to not matter at all compared to his lack of vocabulary. Except for his <<wife,mother-in-law>>, who sometimes does not understand it at all without correct tones!

Ciro reads with link:https://www.perapera.org/[Perapera] when he wants to learn new words/has patience/something is very important, and can basically understand everything in that way. TODO perapera support stopped in 2021: https://www.perapera.org/plugins/ and since browsers don't have stable API's it very quickly stopped working for everyone. Alternatives asked at: https://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/questions/78268/on-mouse-hover-pop-up-chinese-dictionary-browser-extension-alternative-to-perape/ https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/zhongwen-chinese-english/kkmlkkjojmombglmlpbpapmhcaljjkde[Zhongwen] worked, source at https://github.com/cschiller/zhongwen

When he has no patience or for larger not very important chunks of text though, he reads with Google Translate as it tends to work, and then if there is an important sentence that was translated to garbage with Perapera.

Ciro writes with a mixture of link:https://www.pleco.com/[Pleco], Google translate and Googling to see if Chinese actually say the sentences that way, never Google translate alone as it would be too imprecise.

Ciro really wishes he could learn more Chinese. Ciro really loves the Chinese language. But he has other more important endeavors at the moment. There simply aren't enough hours in a day.

Spoken Chinese is in Ciro's opinion a relatively easy language to learn from scratch, because word formation is so often logical:, e.g.:

and there is no useless crap like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_conjugation[verb grammatical conjugation], https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_gender[grammatical gender], https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plural[plural inflection], capitalization, etc. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latino_sine_flexione[latino sine flexione] anyone?)

Ciro <<characters,hasn't tried to learn characters>> because <<chinese-characters-are-insane,too much effort>>, but he did learn some of the most common ones without trying.

Ciro initially learnt from book that come with audio recordings in the first 6-months to 1 year in 2010, but that got impossibly boring afterward, so he later moved to just basically talking as much as possible non-important things to <<why-does-ciro-santilli-love-china-so-much,his wife in Chinese>>, and whenever he reaches one that he doesn't know that seems useful, he Plecos it up or just 怎么说 to his <> and then Pleco.

It should also be mentioned that Ciro also feels that it would be better if all countries more officially adopted English as an international language that everyone should learn for reasons explained at: https://cirosantilli.com/#having-more-than-one-natural-language-is-bad-for-the-world

[[chinese-characters-are-insane]] ===== Chinese characters are insane (汉字是疯狂的)

Maybe the commies for once <<richer,did something good>> by introducing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplified_Chinese_characters[simplified Chinese characters (简化字)]?

But they should have gone further and reduced it to pinyin like the Korean and Vietnamese did, this will make your culture much easier to export.

No foreign adult will every learn to read and write Chinese unless they are completely obsessed by the culture or need it as part of their jobs. And even then, they will avoid it at all costs, because life is just too short!

Japanese https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furigana[furigana] also comes to mind. The characters are so insane that you need a well specified and widely used phonetic reading aid!

Yes, ideograms are:

but they just take too much time for any sane person adult to learn, it's harder than {cpp}!

<> smirked when he came across the character "蒄" in Pleco, and the translation was: "meaning unknown (herb mentioned in old books)". Yes, at the word level, the same like exists in phonetic systems, but that it takes up a modern dictionary and Unicode slot is still funny.

Posts that express similar ideas:

  • <>

.The "fictional" Chinese character "Dou" from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncyclopedia[Uncyclopedia] is roughly translated as "Impossibly complex pictogram-based writing system that takes a person a thousand thousand years to learn." and illustrates well why pictograms are a bad idea. https://uncyclopedia.ca/wiki/File:Chinese_character_extreme.svg[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Chinese_character_extreme.svg[height=400]

.The Sweet Brown https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ain%27t_Nobody_Got_Time_for_That[Ain't Nobody Got Time for That] meme (https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sweet-brown-aint-nobody-got-time-for-that[knowyourmeme]) fits perfectly into how Ciro feels about learning Chinese characters. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Sweet_brown_chinese_characters_meme.jpg[height=500]

.Translation of the above. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Sweet_brown_chinese_characters_meme_zh.jpg[height=500]

.Chinese typewriter. As you would expect, it is insanely complex, and slow to type with. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Chinese_typewriter_at_Deutsche_Technikmuseum.jpg[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Chinese_typewriter.jpg[height=500]

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZcui85b4EE RARE Japanese Toshiba Typewriter. Types in Japanese, Chinese + English. Toshiba Typewriter Model BW-2112. video::JZcui85b4EE[youtube,height=400,width=600]

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNUEUth7qjc Commercial for IBM's Selectric Typewriter 1960's Contrast with the above. video::vNUEUth7qjc[youtube,height=400,width=600]

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_cbW5JK9WM "The most complex Chinese character" by Vladimir Skultety does a reasonable analysis of which Chinese character is the most complex video::t_cbW5JK9WM[youtube,height=400,width=600]

[[seal]] ====== Seal (印章)

Seals are also of course top to bottom right to left as in the traditional texts.

[[evil-chinese-characters-by-ted-chiang]] ====== Evil Chinese Characters by Ted Chiang (坏汉字由Ted Chiang)


Ciro's <> was mentioned in a related Zhihu answer: <>.

[[radical]] ==== Is Ciro Santilli a radical?

Saying that someone is a radical is useless <<brainwashed-by-usa,ad hominem>>.

If you want to say something useful, give specific reasons why you think one specific thing that <> said is incorrect.

Do you consider him a radical because it is unthinkable that China is not perfect?

Or just because he's trying to <<keyword-attack,take down>> some more websites that your dictatorship still does not dislike enough to block: <>?

Don't you think that it is much more radical to <<intolerance,be put in jail for your beliefs>> and <<censorship,silenced if you disagree with anything the government says>>?

Ciro doesn't think either China or West is perfect: <>.

He's just listing arguments why he thinks democracy is better, e.g.: <>, <>.

See also:

  • <>
  • <>

And Ciro never gets mad. Only a slightly sad or annoyed sometimes.

But maybe no radical ever considers themselves a radical? Hmmm...

Or maybe: link:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efHCdKb5UWc[The Dark Knight - Some Men Just Want To Watch The World Burn]?

==== Ciro Santilli is stupid

D E E P: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/labels/you-are-stupid-argument

Feel free to publish any proof of your own incredible intelligence.

==== Is Ciro Santilli a SJW?

SJW: there is a seed of SJW in <>.

One major difference between Ciro and the stereotypical SJW is that he never engage in lengthy discussions as per <>.

He limits himself to listening as much as he can to learn new arguments.

So the rationale of his actions is no_ to convince anyone, but rather:

  • increase the monetary cost of censorship by binding politics to tech with <>
  • group up like-minded people who don't like <>

See also: <>

[[china-watcher]] ===== Is Ciro Santilli a China watcher? (Pekingologist, 三西猴是观察中国者吗?, Intelligence Analyst)

Yup. https://twitter.com/BadChinaTake/status/1291401838022012931/photo/1[Nope]? Well, Ciro's what you'll get on <> until someone better comes along.

===== Are you a SJW?

Moved to <>.

[[does-ciro-santilli-hate-china]] ==== Does Ciro Santilli hate China? 三西猴讨厌中国吗?

On the contrary. China has his favorite:

  • <<restaurants,food>>
  • <<does-ciro-santilli-speak-chinese,language>>
  • <>
  • history
  • nature
  • culture, notably: ** intense respect for older people. Whenever Ciro was with his <<ciro-santilli-mother-in-law-jail,mother-in-law>> and asked for help from young Chinese people, they were extremely nice.

It is hard to understand how the same people have not managed to speak up when <<flg-persecution,70 million old ladies were put into jail when Falun Gong was banned>>. Only the extreme fear of also going to jail could explain it. Living in China is living in constant fear if you can think for yourself. ** enormous importance given to education. One must not forget however: grades are useless, and all that matters is how much you improve society

And because of that: <>.

As link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bjarne_Stroustrup[Bjarne] said:

There are only two kinds of programming languages: those people always bitch about and those nobody uses

Ciro only focus here on negative things to provide content that will <<keyword-attack,activate the Great Firewall>>.

A small poem:

持华反党 + 爱国恨党 +

Support the Chinese people, oppose the Party + Love the country, hate the Party +

The second sentence well known: https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/e8g3qv/爱国恨党love_china_hate_ccp/

[[yuyuan-garden]] .Round gate at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yu_Garden[Yu Garden] (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/豫园[豫园]) in Shanghai. The large characters on top read (<<chinese-characters-are-insane,left to right>>) "流翠" TODO not sure about the second character, understand reference. <> thinks that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_garden[Chinese gardens] (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/中國園林[中国园林]) are amazing!!! link:++https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Shanghai_-_YuYuan_Gardens_and_Old_Town_(584867794).jpg++[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Yuyuan_garden_door.jpg[height=600]

[[chinese-traditional-painting]] ===== Chinese traditional painting (中国传统绘画)

See also: <>.

Some free online collections:

."Plum, orchid, bamboo, chrysanthemum" (梅兰竹菊) painting by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_Xie[Zheng Xie (郑燮)] representing the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Gentlemen[four gentlemen] (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/花中四君子[花中四君子]). Ciro is a big fan of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird-and-flower_painting[traditional Chinese bird-and-flower painting (花鸟画)] like this. https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/315744623848820315/[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Four_gentlemen.jpg[height=600]

===== Why does Ciro Santilli love China so much?

<> does not <<does-ciro-santilli-believe-in-or-practice-falun-gong,believe in reincarnation>>, but sometimes he's tempted to.

It is interesting how different people get <<does-ciro-santilli-hate-china,different impressions>>!

Of course, the fact that his wife is Chinese and <<flg-bias,does Falun Gong>> may or may not have played a role in it :-)

It was like this: Ciro started getting interested in Chinese culture, then he started hanging out with Chinese people, and then he started hanging out with his wife!

So yes, it is a chicken and egg type of thing. The fact that she is one of the most intelligent, morally upright, cute, and "never give up" person I know may have helped me choose too.

[[selfish]] ==== Ciro Santilli's China freedom campaign is selfish

See also:

  • <>
  • <>
  • <>

[[famous]] ===== Ciro Santilli is doing his China freedom campaign to become famous

No, he am a selfless human being, only concerned with the greater well being of humankind.

More serious answer:

  • he believes in this. As evidence, it has limiting effects on his technological career: <>, and he doesn't think he can/wants to become a politician in China if the CCP ever falls
  • the more famous Ciro is, the more impact he will have in the future
  • the more famous Ciro is, the more feedback he have that what he's been doing has been working

Keyword: attention whore.

Duplicate pool:

===== Ciro Santilli is doing his China freedom campaign because it makes him feel important

See: <>.

===== Ciro Santilli is doing his China freedom campaign to vent off his anger

No, he is not angry at all, see also: <>.

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[[funded-by-cia]] ===== Is Ciro Santilli's china-dictatorship campaign funded or otherwise supported by some organization? 谁收买三西猴散布关于中国的谣言?

Sure, the CIA sends Ciro 10 thousand USD checks from time to time, but that doesn't change at all what he would be doing.

And sometimes the NSA, FBI, MI6, MI5, Mossad, Al-Qaeda and ISIS also pitch in a bit depending on their needs.


Just kidding.

A shady supporting organization might require that he does not disclose their support, so maybe the best answer is that you will never know for sure.

Of course, a hidden support would represent a reputation hit for both such organizations and for me, which makes it less likely that I would have accepted or had such an offer.

Also consider Ciro's motivation. If your <<ciro-santilli-mother-in-law-jail,mother in law were put into jail unfairly for 15 days>>, for following the same religion that <<flg-bias,your wife follows>>, and if you had a social media presence, wouldn't you be tempted to do the same?

What about you, are you funded by the CCP?

See also: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/blob/48a95bf57a16b85619a6ae68702d18c9a5078797/FAQ.md#flg-has-been-funded-by-the-us-government-at-least-once-therefore-it-is-evil

Label: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/labels/funded-by-cia-argument

==== Would Ciro Santilli be doing his China freedom campaign if he was in China?

Not with his real name attached to it, see also:

  • <>
  • <>

===== Does your employer support this?

My employer has nothing to do with this.

He doesn't approve or disapprove of the Chinese government or of my private actions.

The only thing that my employer does believe in is that employees can have their own political opinions, and that this should not affect hiring decisions.

Obviously, this action limits my ability to lead high profile deals with China.

Also I'm quite curious if this would limit my ability to go to China for business, but I haven't applied for a visa since I've started this. It likely wouldn't be a good idea for me to go to China :-)

But my employer believes that inclusion and non-discrimination are more valuable.

I will always do my best to not let my personal opinions affect my professional decisions, as that would be unfair to my employer.

[[better-to-do]] ==== Doesn't Ciro Santilli have anything better to do than pissing off China?

In 1989, besides <> and <>'s birth, a beautiful thing called the World Wide Web was invented!

The Internet gives everyone the magic power of writing something, and having million people read it for free!

This is how much time Ciro spends on this project to give you an idea:

  • every week or two, someone sends me a message, he reply with "read the FAQ", and usually update
  • Ciro https://www.reddit.com/r/China amongst many other programming subs, and all major bad news show up there. See also: <>
  • when something bad enough comes up, Ciro go to https://chinadigitaltimes.net/china/sensitive-words-series/ by <>and update <<keyword-attack,his keyword attack>>. He's only been updating it on Stack Overflow and GitHub these days.

Then Ciro just contributes to programming websites exactly as he would if he weren't making this campaign, and voila.

Edit: to be fair, the end of 2019 and start of 2020 was such as hot year with <<2019-hong-kong-anti-extradition-bill-protests>> and <> that Ciro might have spent a tiny little bit more ;-)

But Ciro did it only when his brain was too tired of technical stuff and unable to do more, or as a brain warm up routine in the morning.

Telling the CCP to fuck off is surprisingly relaxing, you should try it some time too. It uses a different part of your brain other than the programming one. It is, one could say, an art form.

=== People in China have already considered democracy, and rejected it

OK, shall we put that to an anonymous vote just to make sure?

Dear sir or madam: do you want more control over your government? y/n

Oops, I forgot that <<most-chinese-people-like-their-dictatorship,proposing such a vote would put in you jail>>, nevermind.

[[violence]] === Would it be right to use violence to overthrow the CCP?

In an ideal world, Ciro Santilli is of course "against violence".

But what if you could prevent a lot of future violence with some violence today?

Ah, the eternal question which only God can answer:

Do you really think that the communists will step down if you ask them nicely enough? Even after <>?

A quote from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_for_Vendetta_(film)[V for Vendetta (2005)] comes to mind:

Q: If they do, what do you think will happen [the people protest against their Government]?

A: What usually happens when people <<second-amendment,without guns>> stand up to people with guns.

[[v-for-vendetta]] .https://youtube.com/watch?v=TcoBv6ibh8M V for Vendetta (2005) "What you think will happen" scene. video::TcoBv6ibh8M[youtube,height=400,width=600]

How do you think the CCP or any other party got into power and maintained that power in the first place? Obviously https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Communist_Revolution[through violence]. And likely due to earlier <<not-chinese,Japanese invasions which weakened the Guomindang>>.

And the CCP actually uses "the ends justify the means" as an argument to justify its own actions: <>.

The question of if anything is morally right or wrong makes no sense. All that matters is: what is the government that maximizes the happines of its own people, and who has the power to do what? <<richer,Getting richer,>> is part of the equation, but so is <<rule-of-law,not being constantly affraid that you will be randomly put in jail for no good reason>>.

If you do decide to strike though, <<what-should-pro-democracy-chinese-living-in-china-do-about-the-dictatorship,stay safe, gather your forces on the Internet, and only strike when victory seems certain>>.

For "violence is illegal" arguments, see also: <>.

.One baby <<nazi,Hitler>> or 5 Million Jews https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem[trolley problem] illustrates well the moral dilemma of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consequentialism["the ends justify the means"]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Baby_Hitler_vs_5_million_Jews_trolley_problem.jpg[height=400]

.Translation: What women think men want (a kiss). What men actually want (decapitating <>). The image from the left comes from the Japanese manga https://mangakakalot.com/manga/vm922794[Okaeri Alice] according to Reddit comments. The image to the right is based on an illustration of the decapitation of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_XVI[Louis XVI] (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/路易十六[路易十六]) during the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution[French Revolution] (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/法国大革命[法国大革命]), but with Louis' head replaced by Xi Jinping's head. An original can be found at: https://castinet.castilleja.org/users/pmckee/frenchrev/violentphase.html[]. https://www.reddit.com/r/chonglangTV/comments/m8qwz4/真正的需要/[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/What_Chinese_men_really_want.jpg[height=400]

[[second-amendment]] ==== Second amendment (美國憲法第二修正案)

If China had the second amendment in 1989, the <> would not be in power in 1990.

<<dictatorship-variability,It is better to have a bit of random shootings every day, than to have a full scale revolution every 20 years>>.

The availability of guns however only explains part of the problem of gun violence in the USA: the other huge thing that must be addressed is to <<western-society-is-extremely-unequal,reduce inequality>>.

A somewhat popular <> criticism of gun violence in the USA (+ other problems) in song/poem form was brought up at https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues/215


自由美利坚, + 枪击每一天; + 白恨黑卑微, + 黑仇黄有钱。 + 世界第一强, + 川普再号强; + 新冠启示录, + 群体免疫法; + 比强还更强, + 世界一病夫。 + 如今五十万, + 耶稣爱美国, + 与民天国欢。 + 人命如草芥, + 不及股市贵; + 战火连中东, + 此乃真民主。

Related discussions:

TODO origin?

==== It is fine for the CCP to treat some of its citizens unfairly if the majority is better off

Basically same discussion as: <> but with the tables turned.

See also: <>

[[dictatorship]] === Why does Ciro Santilli say that China is a dictatorship? 中国不是独裁!

Ciro is using the word in an slightly extended/joking sense.

Maybe "authoritarian" is a more precise term, but it is just too much of a mouthful.

In particular, dictatorships are harder to sustain than authoritarianism, since it generally implies even less freedom, and a single leader whose death can destabilize everything.

The CCP is more like a social class with a large number of members and various sub-layers, and it is therefore much harder to take down on the other hand.

Dictatorship is becoming link:https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/07/world/asia/china-xi-jinping-party-term-limit.html[more and more precise under Xi] however.

Even <> admits it and put it into the constitution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_democratic_dictatorship[People's democratic dictatorship 人民民主专政], so funny.

Well known <<evil-west,Evil Western media>> that also call China a dictatorship:

Further discussions about this useless terminology question:

[[anti-ccp-info-sources]] ==== What are the best sources of anti-CCP news?

https://www.reddit.com/r/China[], see also: <>

Catches all the important news.

A large part of the posts has controversial material.

Has some noise of course as well, but less than other media I find.

Highly worth your feed.

Reddit was banned in China in August 2018: https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/965k4c/reddit_banned_in_china/

<> will invest 150 million on Reddit in 2019: https://gizmodo.com/reddit-banned-in-china-is-reportedly-set-to-land-150-1832375439 See also: <>.

===== Reddit

Subs with lots of anti-commie info:

Non-China specific but relevant:

TODO review:

===== Instagram

===== r/chonglangTV


15k users 2020-03.

Overview of their culture: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ChonglangTV

Chinese language, pretty good content, anti-CCP samples:

====== r/sino


Any comment critical of China and mods immediately ban you, e.g. on 2020-08-21 at https://www.reddit.com/r/Sino/comments/ie0mak/china_is_building_a_github_alternative_called/ which is related to <>, <> commented:

Let's see how long it takes them to block my repo/account: https://gitee.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship | http://web.archive.org/web/20200821202450/https://gitee.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship

The ban message is:

You have been permanently banned from participating in r/Sino. You can still view and subscribe to r/Sino, but you won't be able to post or comment.

Try https://www.reddit.com/r/westerner/[r/westerner] TRASH doesn't get by mods here. Tiananmen Square is vindicated by China's development. Anti terror system in Xinjiang is working. End result for HK is the same since 1997, regardless of rioters. Scientology-esque FLG/Shen Yun cult show has failed for decades, if you believe their claims, it's all of them losing badly.

Dec 31 China informed WHO about mysterious pneumonia. Jan 11 Chinese reveal virus genome Jan 23 Wuhan quarantine - businessinsider/sciencemag

You had the genome and saw the lengths China went to. Don't blame others for failing months later.

US accused of 'modern piracy' after diversion of masks meant for Europe - theguardian

Democracies Are Better at Fighting Outbreaks - theatlantic XD

The US leads in coronavirus cases, but not pandemic response - sciencemag XD

Beliefs of founder cultleader of Falun Gong from own lectures on official falundafa site https://redd.it/42wlvf

====== r/russia

Completely pro-Putin, e.g. removed https://www.reddit.com/r/russia/comments/kd21ck/cnnbellingcat_investigation_identifies_russian/ about <>

===== Telegram

[[twitter]] ===== Twitter (推特)

Lists by <>:

Particularly interesting ones:

  • https://twitter.com/zaikandongxi
  • After <<unjust-social-media-censorship-in-the-west,Trump was unfairly banned from Twitter>>, his social media team created an amazing "Chongald Xrump" account <<what-should-western-countries-do-about-china,pretending ridiculously to be a CCP PR person>>, it had really good posts.

But that amazing account was banned: https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-sneaks-back-on-twitter-by-disguising-self-as-pr-rep-for-chinese-communist-party Twitter is <<politically-incorrect,trying really hard>> to beat the <<censorship,CCP at its own game>>.


[[trump-twitter-kuang-biao]] .Cartoon showing Donald Trump's mouth sewn shut in a "Twitter" shape by <> (2021) after Trump was <<unjust-social-media-censorship-in-the-west,banned from Twitter>>. You know it's bad when the artists who normally criticize the <<ccp,CCP>> start to criticize you. <>'s https://www.rfa.org/english/cartoons/twitter-china-cartoon-06052020164712.html["I can't Tweet"] comes to mind, although it was about <> instad. https://xueqiu.com/9870976009/168210673[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Trump_silenced_by_Twitter_by_Kuang_Biao.jpg[height=400]

===== YouTube

Many western Pro CCP accounts: <>.

[[winnie-the-pool]] ====== Winnie the Pool (乳透社·小池塘,XJP音源,习近平音源)

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjGMgaDmTJtyWl4QCbHJlig 乳透社·小池塘Winnie the Pool. Basically a bunch of anti-Xi Jinping YouTube poop in Chinese.

Many of their videos use their <> system called XJP音源(习近平音源). It is mentioned in the description of videos e.g.

GitHub reupload: https://github.com/cirosantilli/xijinping-yinyuan

===== Tumblr

==== Where can I find good words for a keyword attack?

See also:

  • <>
  • <>

[[keyword-choice]] ==== How do you choose keywords for the keyword attack?

I haven't counted, but the limit for Stack Overflow is quite low, and I'm always almost at the maximum, which is about "Ciro Santilli" + 3 3-4 Chinese character events with a separator.

These are some of my prioritization guidelines:

  • recent cases receive a large prime over the raw death toll, because older cases can always be attributed to other people.

E.g., I've heard there is even some opening towards acknowledging the Great Famine, thus 烏坎事件 (and others from my previous profile names)

  • words must refer to a precise event, and must be clearly summarizable in very few chars, for increased impact, and profile name length limitations.

E.g. "High <<corruption,corruption>> rates, high pollution", although very serious, feel too generic.

  • events that relate directly to freedom of speech receive a prime, since they can only happen in China and very few other countries.

E.g.: <>, <>. + Non e.g.: corruption and pollution. Those are hard to quantify, and there is always an immediate reply: china GDP per capita is low, same happens in India, Brazil, etc. + Freedom of speech however, is immediately verifiable (e.g. "my <<weibo,Weibo>> was taken down"), and undeniably caused by the current central government.

  • the more people affected, and the more deeply they have been affected, the more important obviously

I am currently trying to maintain in my Stack Overflow Location a ranking of events in a single string, so that it can be easily copy pasted around. The location appears on every page if you hover over my account name, so it is likely in the HTML at least.

If you think that this list can be improved, please open an issue explaining how and why.

==== Other notable keyword attacks

[[notepad]] ===== Notepad++

It might be a newbie text editors for newbie Windows users, but at least they use it to good use by doing keyword attacks:

The creator appears to be a Vietnamese immigrant or descendant living in France. There are many such immigrants due to Vietnam being an ex-colony: https://github.com/donho Also he must have good reason to dislike the commies due to similar commit bullshit in Vietnam. He was at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Diderot_University[Paris Diderot] in 2000: https://donho.github.io/#education (https://web.archive.org/web/20190424004100/https://donho.github.io/#education[archive]).

[[separatism]] === Separatism (分离主义)

If a large number of people in a given region want to leave an country strongly or have greater autonomy, <> believes that they should be allowed to do so.


  • if they don't feel they are getting a good deal out of your country, it is unfair to keep them in
  • keeping them in the country forcibly implies large scale violation of human rights: mass incarceration and removing freedom of speech.

Which in turn implies terrorist backslash. + All of which are against <>'s principles. + [[luxor]] .https://youtube.com/watch?v=eouBCMPtNDQ?t=1170 "It happened in ... Luxor" by Al Jazeera English (2011) is a short documentary about the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxor_massacre[Luxor massacre in Egypt (1997)]. At this timestamp, survivor https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_E._Müller[Felix Mueller] whose girlfriend was killed in the attack comments that it is when people don't have an official way to express their needs due to censorship that they are more likely to turn to terrorism to express themselves. video::fASh2_RzMuE[youtube,height=400,width=600,start=1170]

What makes Ciro the maddest is the censorship. If you are going to put people in jail, write a clear law about it, and let international reporters come to see the situation.

But why do you do something and then hide it? Maybe because you are not doing the right thing?

Ciro also believes that although terrorists must be fought with all our strength, they must also be given some degree respect (interspersed simultaneously <<sacred-cows,with humour>>). He sometimes prefers the term "warriors" or "fighters", because their actions are largely indistinguishable from many ideological or purely greed based actions that larger nation states have done many times over and over. It is just a war, plain and simple.

The reason why they kill mostly civilians is that they don't have the means to kill the presidents those civilians elected. An amazing scene from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Battle_of_Algiers[The Battle of Algiers (1966)] comes to mind. After the head of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algerian_War[Algerian independence] movement and terrorist, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larbi_Ben_M%27hidi[Larbi Ben M'hidi] is arrested, the French military let him be interviewed by the press on 4 March 1967 https://youtu.be/uHWZkiBuKGY?t=5312 (TODO real words? Cannot find source):


Journalist: Don't you think that it is cowardly to use the handbags and pushchairs of your women to transport your bombs? Those bombs that make so many innocent victims? [Earlier in the movie, we saw women carriying bombs into the French areas of Algiers through those means]

Larbi Ben M'hidi: And you, don't you think that it is much more cowardly to drop on defenseless villages your napalm bombs that kill thousands times more? Obviously, with airplanes, it would have been much more convenient for us. Give us your bombers, and we will give you the pushchairs.

Original text:

Journalist: Ne trouvez-vous pas plutôt lâche d'utiliser les sacs et les couffins de vos femmes pour transporter vos bombes? Ces bombes qui font tant de victimes innocentes?

Larbi Ben M'hidi: Et vous, ne vous semble t-il beacoup plus lache de larguer sur des vilages sans défence vos bombes au napalme qui tuent mille fois plus d'innocents? Évidement, avec des avions, ca aurait été beaucoup plus comode pour nous. Donnez vous vos bombardiers monsieur, et on vous donnera les couffins.

See also: <>.

[[taiwan]] ==== Taiwan (Republic of China, 台湾, 中華民國)

If you are interested in Taiwan, one important programmer forum is: <>.

Some interesting links:

  • https://youtube.com/watch?v=6aZkM_ZLvjE?t=50 (zh) "【這就是科學|柯文哲】EP3/從癌症治療看政治!除惡務盡→除惡「勿」盡?「與敵共存」才是生存之道!", 柯文哲, 2019-06-26. Ko Wen-je, the mayor of Taipei 台北 and a professor in medicine, applies the concept of isolation and mutation in evolution to Taiwan and China



  • https://www.zhihu.com/question/59337963 为什么西方国家不针对台湾? Why don't Western countries target Taiwan [in their criticisms]? First answer: because of something called <<dictatorship,dictatorship>>.

[[one-china-policy]] ===== One China policy (一个中国)

Taiwan is not a case of <>.

Taiwan is a completely separate country split due to civil war, long ago.

Almost every country, and all reasonably powerful countries, have diplomatic relations with Taiwan. They just don't call them diplomatic relations to not piss off China so they can keep doing business.

The fact that most countries in the world does officially recognize Taiwan as a country is a joke, considering that the only thing keeping it afloat is the West's military threat.

<<what-should-western-countries-do-about-china,The West must not>> let China advance and take more territories. The more they take, the more they will want.

The West must protect China's neighboring countries with military support and assurance.

The West must recognize Taiwan for what it is: a separate country, under threat of invasion, and in need of support.

If China's claim to Taiwan is valid, then Taiwan also has an equally valid claim on China.

If China's claim to Taiwan is valid, then so will its claim to any other country.

China, if you want to claim that Taiwan is a part of you, just grow some balls and invade them already. Or just stop this stupid joke.

Interesting quote from https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/07/taiwans-status-geopolitical-absurdity/593371/

Taiwan's Status Is a Geopolitical Absurdity

And https://www.economist.com/asia/2017/02/16/americas-affirmation-of-the-one-china-policy-pleased-taiwan-too calls the One China policy a:

polite fiction

https://travel.stackexchange.com/questions/62447/how-can-a-citizen-of-mainland-china-visit-taiwan/62466#comment178495_62466 hi, I want a "not VISA" to Taiwan. Thanks.

A well educated Mainlander who lived outside of China once told Ciro:

Taiwan should not be considered a country by China, because then it would not join back to China when China becomes a democracy, and would be used by the USA to do evil things as they did in the Middle East

Ciro was shocked. He considered that person highly intelligent and not fully brainwashed! Reply:

China claiming that Taiwan is a part of them only drives Taiwan closer to the West! Who wants to be part of a dictatorship unless you have been brainwashed by one?

They truly believe in <>.

The US first caved in in 1972 with the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Communiqué[Shanghai Communiqué].


.https://youtube.com/watch?v=fASh2_RzMuE WHO officer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Aylward[Bruce Alyward] pretends not to hear question from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTHK[Radio Television Hong Kong (RTHK)] about the possibility of Taiwan's membership in the WHO during a one-to-one Skype interview, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/senior-who-adviser-appears-to-dodge-question-on-taiwans-covid-19-response[reference]. video::fASh2_RzMuE[youtube,height=400,width=600]


.The flag of Taiwan. Like most modern countries, Taiwan has one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_the_Republic_of_China.svg[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Flag_of_the_Republic_of_China.svg[height=400]

.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Office_Building[Presidential Office Building of Taiwan] (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/總統府_(臺灣)[總統府_(臺灣) | 总统府 (台湾)]). What is that flag we see on top of the central government building of Taiwan? It appears to have a blue rectangle on the top left! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TaipeiROCPresidentialOfficeBuilding.jpg[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Taiwan_White_House.jpg[height=400]

.It is fun to see that some small random Latin American countries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraguay–Taiwan_relations[like Paraguay] recognize only Taiwan and not Mainland China. Brave warriors!!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Two_Chinas.svg[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Countries_that_recognize_Taiwan.jpg[height=400]

.Washington DC TECRO. Instead of "embassies", Taiwan has https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taipei_Economic_and_Cultural_Representative_Office["Taipei Economic and Cultural Representative Offices" (TECROs)] https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/臺北經濟文化代表處[(台北经济文化代表处|臺北經濟文化代表處)] in 2013. The just happen to issue VISAs and passports like embassies, but remember, they are not embassies. No flag you see? This is because idiotic countries don't allow TECROs to have the Taiwan flag. In 2019 Senator Ted Cruz planned on passing a law to allow that though: https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3825086[]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Taipei_Economic_and_Cultural_Representative_Office_in_the_United_States_from_VOA_(1).jpg[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/TECRO_Washington.jpg[height=400]

.2014 cartoon by D Nguyen summarizing the Taiwan China relationship in history. Featuring: fatter and fatter <> on first three cartoons to the left, likely <> to left on the last, and <> to the right. TODO middle figure on last cartoon. TODO find proper attribution source, originally seen at: https://i.redd.it/xb5qr3asfns41.jpg[]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Taiwan_we_are_China_cartoon.jpg[height=600]

.Proposed reunification flag for Taiwan and China. https://9gag.com/gag/a9E1YVo[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/China_Taiwan_reunification_flag.webp[height=500]

.West Taiwan (西台湾), also known as Mainland Taiwan (台湾大陆), also known as China. Not to be confused with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regions_of_Taiwan[Western Taiwan] (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/臺灣西部[台湾西部]), which is a region of Taiwan. https://www.reddit.com/r/TaiwanChina/comments/j34ftk/taiwan_number_one/[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/West_Taiwan_map.jpg[height=500]

[[taiwan-number-one]] ===== Taiwan #1 (2915)

2015 meme started by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z1_Battle_Royale[H1Z1] streamer AngryPug, in which he repeatedly taunts the Chinese streamer Em0 by pretending to be Taiwanese.

.https://youtube.com/watch?v=vTqZ9xrxhHk ANGRYPUG's official YouTube upload of the clip "Taiwan #1" meme. video::vTqZ9xrxhHk[youtube,height=400,width=600]

See also: <>.

===== Hololive

Hololive is a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_YouTuber[VTuber] management company from Japan.

<> didn't know WTF a VTuber was before coming across this event, he's too old for that.

The key event was 2020-09-28 https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4018580 "Japanese VTubers banned for mentioning Taiwan during livestream":

During their most recent livestreams, Hololive Japanese VTubers Kiryu Coco and Akai Haato announced the countries where they have received the most followers based on YouTube analytics. One of the countries that they highlighted was Taiwan because it accounted for seven percent of viewers and they displayed the flag of Taiwan to represent the nation.

therefore joining the long list of <>.

This event was clarified to Ciro at: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues/157 and is tracked under https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/labels/vtuber

Interestingly, this led to a large number of <>/spam on https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues[], culminating notably at https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues/191[], and many of them seemed to involve:

It is however hard to understand the rationale of such posts.

===== Internal politics of Taiwan

As of 2020, there are two relevant parties:

[[chiang-kai-shek]] ===== Chiang Kai-shek (蔣介石, 蔣中正)

[[xinjiang]] ==== Xinjiang (新疆)


Terrorist attacks done by Xinjiang separatists:

Notable terrorist attacks:

The public must realize that a handful of extremists are far from qualified to represent tens of millions of local residents in Xinjiang. It is not only an irrational and biased mindset to put the blame on the entire Uyghur community or the Muslim world, but the idea will also abet and aid those separatists and terrorists who are desperate to take advantage of ethnic and religious conflicts.

and yet as of the <>, all Xinjiang Muslims were fucked. <> comes to mind.


.<<rebel-pepper,Rebel Pepper>> 2017-04 cartoon showing that Xinjiang is like a prison inside a greater prison, which is China itself. Chinese characters read: 新疆(Xinjiang) and 中国(China). TODO source. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Xinjiang_camp_in_camp.jpg[height=600]

[[xinjiang-chained-knives]] .Uyghur butcher with chained knives in Xinjiang (2021). Knives at shops in Xinjiang have to remain chained, and each blade is tracked with a https://www.businessinsider.nl/china-tracks-uighur-minority-qr-code-kitchen-knives-doors-human-rights-watch-report-2018-9/[QR code]. A <> question about it https://www.zhihu.com/question/294738809[]: 为什么菜刀要用铁链子栓起来? 来乌市快有一个月啦,我很好奇为什么所有的店里都要用铁链子把菜刀栓起来? (Why are kitchen knifes tied up with an iron chain? It's been almost a month since I came to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ürümqi[Urumqi] [capital of Xinjiang]? I am curious why all the shops have to tie up kitchen knives with iron chains?). https://youtu.be/4w3_A2vRGqE?t=279[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Xinjiang_chained_butcher_knives.jpg[height=600]

[[xinjiang-re-education-camps]] ===== Xinjiang "re-education" camps (新疆再教育營, 2017-)

The keyword is <>: because of a few terrorists, every single Muslim was fucked even if they did not commit any crime.

Master issue: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues/226

Overview projects:


Although it is often extremely difficult, if not impossible, for Uyghurs overseas to receive information about the whereabouts of their family members, some parents have received bits and pieces of information in the form of coded words, or photos and videos, from relatives and friends that make them believe their children were taken to state-run “orphan camps” or boarding schools.

Chinese officials have named women, disclosed what they say is private medical data and information on the women’s fertility, and accused some of having affairs and one of having a sexually transmitted disease. The officials said the information was evidence of bad character, invalidating the women’s accounts of abuse in Xinjiang.

<>: https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/lvrkoi/china_counters_uyghur_criticism_with_explicit/

The document: http://www.scio.gov.cn/zfbps/32832/Document/1687588/1687588.htm also quoted on <>: http://politics.people.com.cn/n1/2020/0918/c1001-31865875.html + Official English translation: http://english.scio.gov.cn/whitepapers/2020-09/17/content_76712251.htm + Title: 新疆的劳动就业保障 (Employment and Labor Rights in Xinjiang) + Quote:


Google translation: +

The average annual training for all kinds of workers in urban and rural areas in Xinjiang is 1.288 million, of which 451,400 are trained in southern Xinjiang. Participants have mastered at least one employment skill, and most of them have obtained vocational qualification certificates, vocational skill level certificates or special vocational ability certificates to achieve stable employment.

In the 1990s about 350,000 people were sterilized in Peru under a program promoted by President Alberto Fujimori, who argued a lower birth rate was the key to eliminating poverty. "Peruvian women should be the owners of their destiny!" Fujimori said in a 1995 speech to congress. He presented his family-planning campaign as a step forward for feminism, and even got funding from the US Agency for International Development, USAid. Many of the women who were sterilized, however, came from poor indigenous backgrounds and were coerced or forced into the procedure.

  • 2020-06-17 https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN23O3EW "Trump signs bill pressuring China over Uighur Muslim crackdown"
  • 2019-12: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEkliuqQo-g "A Secret Look Inside a Chinese Labor Program for Uighurs | Visual Investigations" by "The New York Times" published on Dec 30, 2019. Description: "China is relocating Uighurs and other Muslim minorities to urban areas as part of a contentious labor program. The Times obtained rare footage taken inside one."





Note that Muhammad is an incredibly popular name in Islamic countries, and thought to be the most popular name in the world with 150m people sharing it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_(name)#Transliterations + It is so prevalent, that it is often shortened to just "Md." and people are just called by their second name to reduce ambiguity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_name#Ism

[[xinjiang-lop-county]] .Image of prisoners wearing blue sitting down in Kaifaqu internment camp (TODO Chinese) in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lop_County[Lop county] (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/洛浦县[洛浦县]) on April 2017. The image shows some prisoners identified to indicate that they are not criminals but rather detained purely for political reasons, their name from left to right: Mamtimin, Aziz Haji Shangtang, Eli Ahun Qarim, and Abdulla Haret. A fifth and sixth ones were https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/camp-photo-04262019171258.html[identified in another report]. This image has become emblematic of the prison camps. Wikipedia cites as a source: http://web.archive.org/web/20180821032854/https://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1564669932542581[] which was down as of 2021-06. But that image has a semi cropped watermark, so it simply cannot be the original image. An image with the same watermark uncropped can be seen at: https://mvslim.com/re-education-camps-for-muslims-chinas-muslim-community-the-uyghurs-are-facing-a-new-level-of-oppression/[] it reads "[<> logo]新疆司法行政" (Xinjiang judicial administration) Freewechat from <> has a dump of some of their WeChat posts: https://freewechat.com/profile/MzIwODIyNTU1NA== but we could not find the one containing that image specifically, although the watermark is the same. https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/camp-photo-04262019171258.html[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Xinjiang_prisoners_sitting_identified.jpeg[height=400]

.Workers walking next to a prison-like security wall with concertina wire and barbed wire in the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dabancheng_District[Dabancheng] (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/达坂城区[达坂城区]) <<xinjiang-re-education-camps,re-education camp>> circa 2019. https://www.dw.com/en/western-un-envoys-condemn-chinas-muslim-re-education-camps/a-49543438[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Dabancheng_reeducation_camp.jpg[height=400]

.Security towers and inmate buildings of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artux[Artux city] (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/阿图什市[阿图什市]) <<xinjiang-re-education-camps,re-education camp>> circa 2018-12-03. https://apnews.com/article/think-tanks-australia-china-13278c6178b9da1c37cbbc5bd063e473[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Artux_city_reeducation_camp.webp[height=400]

[[xinjiang-core-socialist-values]] .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxnS4z-cSlI (https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues/220[GitHub 上传 upload]) 2021 video showing dozens of Uyghurs standing on a large court being brainwashed by a woman saying on a loudspeaker: <<core-socialist-values,社会主义核心价值观>>,一定维护民族团结 (<<core-socialist-values,Core socialist values>> definitely maintain ethnic harmony). The echo of the speaker on the background buildings is eery. UNCONFIRMED. https://twitter.com/__Inty__/status/1381002964551168000[Source]. video::AxnS4z-cSlI[youtube,height=400,width=600]

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUmom_z6nQ4 (https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues/221[GitHub 上传 upload]) <> video of a few dozen Uyghur chilren being marched on the street with large bags, presumably during a displacement. The adults organizing it are a laugh, presumably at something cute one of the children did. Video markings: "@MaD DaN", location: "伯干村" (Bogancun, a town in Xinjiang https://goo.gl/maps/rt6jaT8oEjoXo95t8[according to Google Maps]), rolling banner TODO confirm, understand: "诗书达理之山人刨作原声". TODO identify Chinese music being sang on background, it is not clear if it is an edit or from the footage. The echo of the speaker on the background buildings is eery. UNCONFIRMED. https://twitter.com/Uyghurian/status/1380992770823835664[Source]. video::dUmom_z6nQ4[youtube,height=400,width=600]

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcLbAveuemI Here is a trick to getting longer lashes by feroza.x (2019). In this <> video, American then 17-year old Feroza Aziz, alias feroza.x, starts what looks likea regular makeup video, but which soon turns out to be a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bait-and-switch[bait-and-switch] video drawing attention to the <>. This is somewhat similar to a <> with its <> approach. video::ZcLbAveuemI[youtube,height=400,width=600]

On 2019-09-22 Drone footage of Xinjiang prisoner transfer surfaced. TODO confirm the location and that these are political prisoners rather than "normal criminals".

News coverage

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGYoeJ5U7cQ 2019 Drone footage of Xinjiang prisoner transfer. The prisoners are blindfolded and shackled. On the HUD of the footage we can see "dji", which was a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJI[popular drone manufacturer of the period]. video::gGYoeJ5U7cQ[youtube,height=400,width=600]

.Video still of 2019-09-23 drone footage of blindfolded Xinjiang prisoners being marched taken at time 00:30. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGYoeJ5U7cQ[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Xinjiang_prisoners_march.jpg[height=400]

[[xinjiang-data-project]] ====== Xinjiang Data Project (新疆数据项目)

By the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Strategic_Policy_Institute[Australian Strategic Policy Institute], funded by the Australian government, which also published Also includes the <<uyghurs-for-sale,Uyghurs for sale>> report.

.Screenshot of the interactive map of the <> by the <>. https://xjdp.aspi.org.au/map/?cultural=none&mosque=none[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Xinjiang_Data_Project_screenshot_of_camp_map_2021.jpg[height=600]

[[xinjiang-model-camps-for-foreign-media]] ====== Xinjiang model camps for foreign media (新疆外媒示范营)

Starting in 2019, China officially invited foreign journalists to some of their model camps to show how happy people were.

It is hard to understand why they did this, as it just made everything worse for them, because everything was so obviously fake, and it actually allowed glimpses in some of the horrors.

Online commentators have compared such camps to:

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmId2ZP3h0c "Inside China's 'thought transformation' camps - BBC News" 2019-06-18. Accompagning article: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-china-48667221[]. China gives BBC "access" to a chosen show camp where everyone claims they are happy and willing to stay. They are however clearly adults being treated like children, taking courses and even having to sing and dance for the camera. https://youtu.be/WmId2ZP3h0c?t=486[486s] is also golden, when the CCP officer Zhang Zhisheng explains how they are <<thoughtcrime,just preventing future crime from happening>>. How can they be so stupid? How can they not see that this is not what the West wants to hear? Amazing dark-comedy like stuff. video::WmId2ZP3h0c[youtube,height=400,width=600]

.Man wearing traditional Xinjiang clothing and playing a traditional instrument inside a classroom setting inside a prison camp, as the CCP tries to show the world that they are happy and their culture is being respected, and only makes things worse. The man also shows on the video at: https://youtu.be/WmId2ZP3h0c?t=407[] made by the BBC when they got supervised access to the camps to film, nearby segment uploaded at: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues/169[]. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-china-blog-48700786[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Uyghur_playing_guitar.jpg[height=400]

[[forced-displacement-of-uyghurs-across-china-2020]] ====== Forced displacement of Uyghurs across China (2020, 维吾尔人被迫流离失所)

Many videos were published on <>, 2020-07-09 https://www.codastory.com/authoritarian-tech/china-uyghur-migration/ "Revealed: New videos expose China’s forced migration of Uyghurs during the pandemic" has compilations of the most well known videos, with direct MP4 uploads that are easy to download.

<> re-uploads at: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues/221

[[uyghurs-for-sale]] .Advertisement published by Qingdao Decai Decoration Co. claiming to supply government-sponsored Uyghur workers from Xinjiang to other provinces. Source of translation: https://www.aspi.org.au/report/uyghurs-sale["Uyghurs for sale" report]. Original website archive from 16 Jan 2020: http://archive.ph/r7T8r[]. The ad features a caricature of two dancing Uyghurs in traditional clothing. This is evidence of the CCP's mass forced eviction and slavery of Uyghurs. Another report at 2021-04-16 https://news.sky.com/story/amp/new-evidence-of-the-strict-controls-uighurs-face-in-factories-thousands-of-miles-from-home-12276248 "Batches of 50 to 100 Uighur workers are being advertised on the Chinese internet" suggests that a <> search for "劳务派遣" leads to incriminating ads, but which they fail to translate. Report lead: <>. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Uyghur_sale_website.jpg[height=500]

.Uyghur workers at Qingdao Taekwang Shoe Manufacturing Co. Ltd (青岛泰光制鞋有限公司) in Laixi, <<shandong,Shandong>> (莱西市, <<shandong,山东>>) waving the Chinese flag, October 2019. Viewable on the pro-CCP China Ethnic Religion Net (中国民族宗教网) website: http://www.mzb.com.cn/html/report/191130765-1.htm[], and also shown in the https://www.aspi.org.au/report/uyghurs-sale["Uyghurs for sale" report]. Company address: https://goo.gl/maps/EgkbtxgjEny7EU1YA[山东省青岛市莱西市李权庄镇工业园区泰光路71号]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Uyghur_workers_waving_China_flag.jpg[height=400]

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx0JFgwATho&t=128 "New footage shows Uyghurs bussed across China for forced labour in factories". At the given timestamp, contains 30 seconds of footage extracted from 3 social media posts showing Uyghurs being sent in busses to work in far way regions. video::M_aXcH1zDEE[youtube,height=400,width=600,start=128]

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx0JFgwATho New footage shows Uyghurs bussed across China for forced labour in factories by Channel 4 News (2020) contains one of the many edits made with a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bella_ciao[bella ciao] (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/啊朋友再见[啊朋友再见]) background, Chinese version showing uyghurs being sent in busses to work in far away locations in China. The music fits perfectly, literal translation of the Chinese version is "Ah, friend, goodbie". video::Mx0JFgwATho[youtube,height=400,width=600]

[[merdan-ghappar-s-video-2020]] ====== Merdan Ghappar's Xinjiang prison video (2020, 麥爾丹·阿巴的新疆监狱视频)

GitHub 上传 upload: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues/374

Original report by the <>:

Self made video shows the ex-model chained to a bed in a camp. Text messages give further details.

Text messages and translation: https://medium.com/@millwarj/wear-your-mask-under-your-hood-an-account-of-prisoner-abuse-in-xinjiang-during-the-2020-3007a1f7437d

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg4sWv3dEvU&list=PLQReVuWUFgXOlOOmJGRgVDtp2XqED0-8Y is a playlist with dozens of videos of him being cute while modelling. Appears to be mostly a <<tiktok,Douyin>> dump mostly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUr97pK9qmU is particularly good.

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX-jY1tgL_o Merdan Ghappar's video footage, terrible screen capture from the BBC original, but can't find a better one. video::mX-jY1tgL_o[youtube,height=400,width=600]

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYhcrXYA6tM Rare footage of former model held for “re-education” in China’s detention system - BBC News (2020) Reportage with more context, including previous modeling work. They're incapable of adding the name "Merdan Ghappar" to the title or description however, what newbs. video::SYhcrXYA6tM[youtube,height=400,width=600]

[[xinjiang-cotton]] ====== Xinjiang cotton (新疆棉花, 2021)

Reports surfaced that <> people were being used to pick cotton, and boycotts followed.

Companies that boycotted, subset of <>:

Companies that supported:

Here's a link to the <> mentioned: https://weibo.com/2329770312/K7RDviZl4?from=page_1006062329770312_profile&wvr=6&mod=weibotime&type=comment archive: https://archive.ph/tOcum + Original text: +

Hugo Boss秉持着对生产制造高品质产品的坚持,使用来自世界各地,包括原材料源自中国各大产区的面料。多年来,我们一直尊重一个中国原则,坚决捍卫国家主权和领土完整。我们与许多优秀的中国企业建立了长期合作,并将继续保持。新疆长绒棉是世界上最好的棉花之一,我们相信优质的原料一定会实现价值。我们将会继续采购和支持新疆棉花。

and the Google translate: +

Hugo Boss adheres to the insistence on manufacturing high-quality products, using fabrics from all over the world, including raw materials from major producing areas in China. Over the years, we have always respected the one-China principle and resolutely defended national sovereignty and territorial integrity. We have established long-term cooperation with many outstanding Chinese companies and will continue to maintain them. Xinjiang long-staple cotton is one of the best cotton in the world, and we believe that high-quality raw materials will surely realize value. We will continue to purchase and support Xinjiang cotton.

Statement on Hugo Boss' website in English saying that they are ethical: https://group.hugoboss.com/fileadmin/media/pdf/sustainability/company_commitments_EN/HUGO_BOSS_Statement_on_Xinjiang.pdf (https://web.archive.org/web/20210326134037/https://group.hugoboss.com/fileadmin/media/pdf/sustainability/company_commitments_EN/HUGO_BOSS_Statement_on_Xinjiang.pdf[archive])


<<blood-cotton-initiative-wuheqilin,"Blood Cotton Initiative" by wuheqilin>> is a <> cartoon claiming it is all lies.

.Side-by-side comparison of black american slaves from 1908 and <<xinjiang-re-education-camps,happy Xinjiang workers>> working in cotton collection. This was posted by the verified account of Chinese government official Hua Chunying (华春莹) on Twitter: https://twitter.com/SpokespersonCHN/status/1375015592944537605[], archives: https://archive.ph/3PTiA and https://web.archive.org/web/20210326034948/https://twitter.com/SpokespersonCHN/status/1375015592944537605[]. Pure beauty. Does she have a brain? The images read: "The cotton planter and his pickers, H. Tees, West Point, Miss[ssisipy]", https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cotton_planter_and_pickers1908.jpg[source], and "Uighus people picking cotton in Xinjiang China". <>, here we go. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Xinjiang_cotton_vs_American_plantation_from_1908.jpg[height=600]

[[other-islam-countries-speak-up-for-uyghur]] ====== Why don't many Islamic countries speak up for the Uyghur persecution? (为什么很多伊斯兰国家不反对维吾尔族迫害?)

Either because those countries:



Turkey's nationalist opposition has responded to a belligerent attitude from Beijing with workers from the Ankara Metropolitan Municipality digging a giant hole outside the Chinese Embassy in Ankara after the ambassador threatened the city’s mayor and an opposition leader with action over their tweets commemorating the victims of China’s violent crackdown on Uyghurs

.<> 2019-07 cartoon showing <> claiming to have won the global opinion on the Xinjiang re-education camps because all other dictatorships support him, including <<other-islam-countries-speak-up-for-uyghur,Islamic dictatorships>>. https://www.rfa.org/english/cartoons/XiJinping-uyghur-camp-cartoon-07162019155441.html[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Xinjiang_I_won.jpeg[height=400]

[[pakistan-prime-minister-xinjiang]] .https://youtube.com/watch?v=YlHPEgE3fjk <> Prime Minister https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imran_Khan[Imran Khan] refuses to acknowledge <<xinjiang-re-education-camps,Muslim Uyghur oppression in Xinjiang>> during interview, cites Chinese money by HBO (2021). Correctly mentions <> in his defense. video::YlHPEgE3fjk[youtube,height=400,width=600]

[[holocaust-denial]] ====== Holocaust denial (犹太人大屠杀否定论)

Once again, <>.

.Holocaust denial cartoon by far-right cartoonist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Françoise_Pichard[Françoise Pichard] was a runner-up the <<iran,Iranian>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Holocaust_Cartoon_Competition[International Holocaust Cartoon Competition] of 2006, which obviously aimed at discrediting Israel. The cartoon shows two https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasidic_Judaism[Hasidic Judaism][Hasidic jews] and reads in French: "Qui l'a mis par terre? Faurisson. Myth des chambres a gaz" which can be translated as: "Who put it down? Faurisson. Myth of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_chamber[gas chambers] (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/毒气室[毒气室])". Farisson is a reference to famous French holocaust denier https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Faurisson[Robert Faurisson]. The <> is doing the same as of 2020 in <<xinjiang-re-education-camps,Xinjiang>>, e.g. through works such as <<blood-cotton-initiative-wuheqilin,"Blood Cotton Initiative" by wuheqilin>>. http://iranianhistory.pbworks.com/w/page/16588754/iranianhistory6[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Holocaust_denial_cartoon_by_Francoise_Pichard.jpg[height=400]

[[holocaust-denial-palestine]] .Holocaust denial cartoon suggesting that the Holocaust killed much less than Israel did during the Palestinian conflict TODO confirm artist, source image address suggests Moroccan https://www.toonsmag.com/naji-benaji/[Naji Benaji]. Palestine is <<evil-west,a tragedy>>, also mentioned at <>, but trying to justify its horrors by comparing it to the horrors of other countries. We must recognize and fight against injustices of all countries. One injustice cannot justify the other. https://web.archive.org/web/20201201110526/https://cst.org.uk/news/blog/2010/10/29/a-new-low-for-scottish-palestine-solidarity-campaign[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Holocaust_denial_cartoon_vs_Palestine.jpg[height=400]

[[blood-cotton-initiative-wuheqilin]] .Blood Cotton Initiative by >. This pro-<> propaganda work suggests that the <> is a fabrication of <<evil-west,Evil West>>. It depicts Americans as wearing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan[Ku Klux Klan] in an usual CCP reminder that <>. It is basically a <> cartoon. https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Blood_Cotton_Initiative.jpg[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base-ignore}/Blood_Cotton_Initiative_by_Wuheqilin.jpg[height=400]

.Side-by-side comparison of <<blood-cotton-initiative-wuheqilin,"Blood Cotton Initiative" by wuheqilin>> and the <<holocaust-denial-palestine,Palestine vs Israel holocaust denial cartoon>>. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Blood_Cotton_Initiative_by_Wuheqilin_holocaust_denial.jpg[height=400]

[[inner-mongolia]] ==== Inner mongolia (内蒙古)

[[tibet]] ==== Tibet (西藏)

Events linked to reducing the teaching of the Tibetan language in schools and replacing it with Mandarin:

===== Tibet "re-education" camps (2020)


2020-09-22 the <> reported that <>-style camps were started to be built in <>: https://jamestown.org/program/jamestown-early-warning-brief-xinjiangs-system-of-militarized-vocational-training-comes-to-tibet/ and were housing half a million people.

[[tibetan-unrest-2008]] ===== 2008 Tibetan unrest (2008年西藏骚乱)

Good gory photos from the event: https://file.wikileaks.org/file/tibet-protest-photos/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20200410200709/https://file.wikileaks.org/file/tibet-protest-photos/[archive])

.https://youtube.com/watch?v=B-tEi4uLM_E "Hundreds of Tibetan protesters clash with police after anti-China protest" published by AP Archive. video::B-tEi4uLM_E[youtube,height=400,width=600]

[[tibetan-unrest-1987-1989]] ===== 1987-1989 Tibetan unrest (1989年拉萨骚乱)

.https://youtube.com/watch?v=qMZgoRuPJBg "Troops stormed the Tibetan holy site the Jokhang Temple and beat monks" video::qMZgoRuPJBg[youtube,height=400,width=600]

.https://youtube.com/watch?v=3uQcGcGGepw "Latest Spate Of Violent Unrest In Lhasa And The Imposition Of Martial Law" by AP Archive video::3uQcGcGGepw[youtube,height=400,width=600]

[[hong-kong]] ==== Hong Kong (香港)

News source: https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/ Became larger than r/china during the <<2019-hong-kong-anti-extradition-bill-protests>>.

There is only one solution to Hong Kong's problem:

  • give inhabitants people easy VISAs to leave China, with priority to the rich/educated ones. Give them free language courses on the country of arrival, and help them find jobs
  • treat Hong Kong exactly like any other part of China, removing any special commercial treaty with the reagion, which it has enjoyed for many years

These have started happening seriously in response to the <>.

Hong Kong related posts at: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues?q=label%3Ahong-kong+


===== Hong Kong 97 SNES video game

1995 video game realistically depicts the fight of Hong Kong against the Communist Party predicted to happen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handover_of_Hong_Kong[at the handover], featuring Bruce Lee (often represented as <<entertainers-who-support-the-ccp,Jackie Chan>>) who returned from the grave to join the fight and kick <<jiang-zemin,Jiang Zemin's>> ass.

The dead body from the game over screen was taken from a still from a video of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_War[1992 Bosnian War]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCDWyzZyNdw

The track is a sample of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Love_Beijing_Tiananmen["I Love Beijing Tiananmen" (我爱北京天安门)] Cultural Revolution song that was popular before <> and later became an ironic protest song:

我爱北京天安门 + 天安门上太阳升

which means:

I love Beijing Tiananmen Square + The sun rises over the Tiananmen

Full song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is_Z2K7guKs

.Cover of the Hong Kong 97. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hong_Kong_97_cover.jpg[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Hong_Kong_97_cover.jpg[height=600]

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_aXcH1zDEE The venerable https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angry_Video_Game_Nerd[Angry Video Game Nerd] made a review of Hong Kong 97. video::M_aXcH1zDEE[youtube,height=400,width=600]

[[hong-kong-protests-2014]] ===== 2014 Hong Kong protests (Umbrella movement, 雨伞运动占领区)

.A common logo used in the Umbrella movement, depicting an stylized umbrella with yellow background. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Umbrella_Revolution_icon_3.svg[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Umbrella_movement_icon.png[height=400]

.Sea of seated protesters during the <> gathering at the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiralty,_Hong_Kong[Admiralty] (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/金鐘[金鐘]) on 2014-10-10. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Umbrella_Revolution_in_Admiralty_Night_View_20141010.jpg[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Umbrella_movement_in_Admiralty_night_View_20141010.jpg[height=600]

[[hong-kong-national-security-law]] ===== Hong Kong National Security Law (香港国安法, 2020)


<> is the founder of <>, the flagship newspaper under Next Digital and the biggest pro-democracy paper in Hong Kong, reported that nearly 200 officers were entering their offices. + Other notable arrests: ** <> https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/08/10/who-are-jimmy-lai-agnes-chow-two-hong-kong-democracy-advocates-arrested-monday/ + The CCP is not even pretending anymore. + 2020-08-12: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/hong-kong-media-tycoon-lai-released-bail-arrest-200811173810887.html[]: they were released on bail

Police in Hong Kong are seeking the arrest of six pro-democracy activists living in exile in Western countries, including the UK, media reports say.

The group reportedly includes former UK consulate worker Simon Cheng, well-known activist Nathan Law and US citizen Samuel Chu.

The name of the hotel is Metropark Hotel (維景酒店), address: 148 Tung Lo Wan Rd, Causeway Bay, Hong Kong: https://goo.gl/maps/1uR4RntpLMFaCYpq6 + Using hotels as a base of operations is of coures common in occupied regions, see e.g.: ** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Peninsula_Paris[The Peninsula Paris] (previously Hotel Majestique), which was used by the <<nazi,Gestapo>> and figures in the movie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_Shadows[Army of the Shadows (1969)]. An important quote from that movie when a prisoner of the Nazis dies, his friend says: +

All debts will be paid. + Toutes les dettes se paieront.

With the Chinese Communist Party's imposition of new security measures on Hong Kong, the risk that sensitive U.S. technology will be diverted to the People's Liberation Army or <<ministry-of-state-security,Ministry of State Security>> has increased, all while undermining the territory's autonomy. Those are risks the U.S. refuses to accept and have resulted in the revocation of Hong Kong's special status.


.Over 100 police officers raid the <> Hong Kong newspaper soon after the <> started. A https://www.bbc.com/zhongwen/simp/chinese-news-53723266[Chinese source]. https://hongkongfp.com/2020/08/10/scores-of-police-raid-office-of-hong-kong-pro-democracy-newspaper-apple-daily/[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Apple_Daily_raid.webp[height=600]

====== Hong kong national security department hotline

2020-11-06 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-54835955 "Hong Kong: Snitch hotline gets more than 1,000 calls"

An official source: https://www.police.gov.hk/ppp_en/03_police_message/nsdrh.html (https://web.archive.org/web/20201106164104/https://www.police.gov.hk/ppp_en/03_police_message/nsdrh.html[archive]).

The contacts:

Related: <>


===== 2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests


.https://youtube.com/watch?v=YhN6jipSHFI Hong Kong Yoga - Sammy J S2 (ep31) published by ABC Comedy on 2019-09-19. Very good. video::YhN6jipSHFI[youtube,height=400,width=600]

[[do-not-split]] ====== Do Not Split (不割席, 2020)

====== LeBron James opposes Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests (2019)

NBA is huge in China.

On 2019-10-05 (Friday) 7:41PM Daryl Morey, NBA's Houston Rockets manager sent a tweet with an image that read:

Fight for Freedom. Stand with Hong Kong.

Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20191005025317if_/https://twitter.com/dmorey/status/1180312072027947008

Then Daryl was a coward, removed this tweet, and apologized on 2019-10-07 (Monday) 1:18 AM https://twitter.com/dmorey/status/1181000808399114240 (https://archive.is/6Sdpn[archive]), so by then it was already deleted.

I did not intend my tweet to cause any offense to Rockets fans and friends of mine in China

Then TODO date the uberstar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LeBron_James[LeBron James] (not a Houston Rockets player), a big supporter of black rights in the US, criticized this.

https://apnews.com/article/dd96d002394f45a6859c280c889afcb7[LeBron's words]:

I don't want to get into a word or sentence feud with Daryl Morey, but I believe he wasn't educated on the situation

Related video of LeBron saying similar things on interview (TODO same?): 2019-10-15 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjM43blzaRc "LeBron addresses Daryl Morey's tweet and Lakers' trip to China | NBA on ESPN"

Led to: <>.

  • 2019-10-15 https://apnews.com/article/dd96d002394f45a6859c280c889afcb7 "LeBron: Rockets' Morey 'wasn't educated' on China tweet"
  • 2019-10-07 (Monday) "Rockets' general manager's Hong Kong comments anger China"
  • 2019-10-07 Lakers vs. Heat NBA <> Live Stream cancelled due to fan wearing the <<taiwan,Taiwanese>> flag

.Fan wearing Taiwan flag in 2019-10-07 Lakers vs. Heat showing fan and text (TODO from <>?) saying that the match will be cancelled. https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/dtrx4b/tencent_nba_live_broadcast_got_cancelled_because[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/NBA_Taiwan_flag.jpg[height=600] ** https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49956385 ** https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/07/business/houston-rockets-nba-china-daryl-morey/index.html

Some good LeBron cartoons:

."Kneeling" by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Zyglis[Adam Zyglis] (2019) compares the NFL's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Kaepernick[Colin Kaepernick] (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/科林·卡佩尼克[科林·卡佩尼克]), who kneeled during the playing of the U.S. national anthem during the 2016 season to protest against social injustice, vs NBA's LeBron James, who instead supports China's <<dictatorship,dictatorship unconditionally>>. https://twitter.com/adamzyglis/status/1185634052008808448[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Kneeling_by_Adam_Zyglis_NFL_Colin_Kaepernick_vs_NBA_LeBron_James.jpg[height=500]

.In 2020-10-04 American billboard company https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outfront_Media[Outfront Media] refused to post this ad by the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Legal_and_Policy_Center[NLPC conservative think tank] critical of LeBron James' stand on Hong Kong. The ad shows the NBA superstar with a Chinese flag covering his mouth and the message "Silence is Violence." and URL http://freedom4china.com/[]. <<to-obey-is-to-betray,To obey is to betray>> comes to mind. https://www.foxnews.com/sports/billboard-company-refuses-to-post-ad-critical-of-lebron-james-stand-on-china[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Silence_is_violence.jpg[height=400]

[[what-should-all-pro-democracy-people-do-about-china]] === What should all pro-democracy people do about China? (所有的民主派人士应该干什么?)

A propaganda slogan from a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Resistance[French Resistance] (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/法國抵抗運動[法国抵抗运动]) flyer (see also <>):

To obey is to betray. + To disobey is to serve.

服从就是背叛 + 违抗就是服务

Obéir c'est trahir. + Désobéir c'est servir.

[[to-obey-is-to-betray]] .To obey is to betray. To disobey is to server ("Obéir c'est trahir. Désobéir c'est servir" in French) flyer featuring the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Lorraine[cross of Lorraine] (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/洛林十字[洛林十字]). <> comes to mind. https://www.larousse.fr/encyclopedie/images/Obéir_cest_trahir_Désobéir_cest_servir/1314227[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/To_obey_is_to_betray.jpg[height=400]

[[civil-disobedience]] ==== Civil disobedience (公民不服從)

[[lie-flat-movement]] ===== Lie Flat movement (躺平主义)

The movement notably contradicts one of the <>: dedication (敬业).

Good cat lying down meme: https://www.marxist.com/china-lie-flat.htm

==== Photobombing-like attacks


Explicitly forbidden in China by the law: <>.

See also: <>.

===== Appropriation attack

An appropriation attack is one where the attackers attempt to associate an existing symbol to their cause.

For example during the <<2019-hong-kong-anti-extradition-bill-protests>> attackers attempted to use this technique to associate a generic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chun-Li[Chinese Chun-Li-like] character Mei from Blizzard's link:++https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overwatch_(video_game)++[Overwatch game] to try and get it blocked in China after the gaming company punished a pro gamer for defending the Hong Kong protests. Coverage https://www.businessinsider.com/blizzard-fans-overwatch-mei-hong-kong-protests-memes-2019-10 (https://web.archive.org/web/20191012094950/https://www.businessinsider.com/blizzard-fans-overwatch-mei-hong-kong-protests-memes-2019-10[archive]).

[[mei-with-hong-kong]] .Mei from Blizzard's Overwatch was used in an attempted <> during the <<2019-hong-kong-anti-extradition-bill-protests>>. https://twitter.com/marnofavonlea/status/1182557311539150849[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Mei_with_Hong_kong.jpg[height=600]

===== Sport event live broadcast image attacks

NBA in particular is super popular in China, and people sitting at the front row can easily bomb emissions due to the small court size:

Started in particular due to the <>

==== What should Western countries do about China?

Force all their Western servers to accept <> connections only: <>.

Western governments must reciprocate unfair Chinese practices: https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/18508/why-dont-western-countries-penalize-chinese-companies-in-the-same-way-that-chin

Companies only care about money and have no long term view, the following must be imposed by governments on Western companies.

Serious sanctions must be pot on companies that sell sensitive things to dictatorships:

  • <<western-companies-that-sell-censorship-technology-to-dictatorships,censorship or anti-privacy software>>

Related approaches taken by the CCP that should also be stopped dead by strict enforcement of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Agents_Registration_Act[Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA)]:

  • <>, notably <>, must
  • <>

Physical presence influence must be completely blocked, e.g. cultural centers that report directly to the CCP such as <> and <> must be banned.

News about Chinese state media using Western social media:

Accounts that are not labelled as being from the Chinese government, but which support the CCP, must be investigated to determine if they are actually funded by the Chinese government.

TODO what to do with websites of: <>? Blocking them has the downsides that:

  • it would be harder to monitor what crazy shit the commies are doing
  • those censorship mechanisms could be reused to block good websites by Western governments that are becoming Evil

Let's just leave them up to start with, who gives a fuck about them? :-) If they are getting too many page views, we can make search engines add the disclaimer too.

Chinese social media such as <> and <> must be banned. This is less serious than regular websites, because you can always repost on Western social media but without getting spied on:

Whenever China kicks out a western journalist who is in China and reports there, the Western country must do the same and kick out a Chinese journalists for a Chinese media.

An upside of restricting Chinese servies is that it would hugely bolster <> technologies, as every Chinese expat would need to buy a VPN.

Western governments must identify raw material dependencies on China, and reduce them, while at the same time forbidding technology transfer to China. China has been trading cheap resources for technology, and we must stop that now.

Unfair Chinese commercial practices must be reciprocated. Chinese companies should be forced to open joint ventures to operate outside of China, which is a trick China uses to control profits and more easily steal IP from Western companies:

Sanctions must be imposed directly on Chinese officials. They must not be allowed to "escape to a better life or have investments in the West":

.<> 2016-09-07 cartoon entitled "宽衣<<xi-jinping-memes,撒币>>" depicting <> as a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pole_dance[pole dancer] and throwing money at other world leaders during the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_G20_Hangzhou_summit[2016 G20 Hangzhou summit] is a reference to how China buys political influence in other countries by promising profitable trade deals with those countries. https://www.rfa.org/mandarin/biantailajiaomanhua/biantailajiaomanhua-09072016131637.html[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Xi_pole.jpg[height=400]

===== Mark government controlled social media

All posts of all state-sponsored social media accounts must be clearly marked as such.

This should be done not only for China, but of all countries, including Western democracies.

Even better, they should add funny censored images on top of those that are from dictatorship countries.

Furthermore, marked media from dictatorships must be forbidden to both monetize and pay to promote its content.

Any outlets that do not announce themselves as state sponsored but are, must be banned forever when they are found out.

What to do about personal accounts is much harder to decide however, and especially so in the case of <>, where they might really not be state sponsored, and the creator's nationality won't help make the decision either.

Some websites have started marking such accounts, which is a great start.

Reports of Chinese influence on social media:

[[spy]] ===== China spy stories


Do not underestimate the CCP and its control over every Chinese companies and people. Every Chinese company and person is a potential spy.

This is <<evil-west,true for all countries however>>, and <> does not not reproach China specifically for its secret service, e.g. <> used https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden#NSA_sub-contractee_as_an_employee_for_Dell[Dell] as an NSA front-end.

The point is just that the West should not underestimate this menace that comes from a <>.

For university espionage in particular see: <>.

Some Chinese spy stories:

Good profile. He was first approached via LinkedIn. As a related case, Jun Wei Yeo was arrested as LinkedIn spy recruiter in 2020: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-53544505 + And those stupid Chines handlers gave him a phone that was supposed to be encrypted, but it crashed and then rebooted unencrypted, right when the FBI agents were around. +

But after the 2008 real estate crash, his fortunes changed. His house plummeted in value, and later he lost his job.

** 2019-04-04 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/how-230-000-debt-linkedin-message-led-ex-cia-officer-n990691 "How a $230,000 debt and a LinkedIn message led an ex-CIA officer to spy for China" + Good profile, gives important points: he was 230k in debt, and "Mallory began reaching out to former CIA colleagues in an apparent effort to pump them for information. The ex-colleagues grew suspicious and contacted the CIA, prosecutors say." ** 2019-05-18 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48319058 "Kevin Mallory: Ex-CIA agent jailed for spying for China". + The article also contains a good summary section "CIA spy operation in China: Key dates".

====== 2010 dismantling of CIA's network in China

Around2010-2012 about 20 CIA spies in China were killed. One was shot right in the courtyard of a government building as a message to others.

After identifying some of the websites, possibly with a double agent, Iran was able to reach the rest through Google searches for similar sites.

The trouble started in when the CIA was investigating nuclear weapons in Iran in 2009.

The fact that China soon followed could indicate that Iran sold the secret to China.

TODO do we have any such sample websites or screenshots of them? https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues/167

https://news.yahoo.com/cias-communications-suffered-catastrophic-compromise-started-iran-090018710.html mentions that:

A 2011 Iranian television broadcast that touted the government's destruction of the CIA network said U.S. intelligence operatives had created websites for fake companies to recruit agents in Iran by promising them jobs, visas and education abroad. Iranians who initially thought they were responding to legitimate opportunities would end up meeting with CIA officers in places like Dubai or Istanbul for recruitment, according to the broadcast.

therefore the websites might not have been in English.

TODO find that broadcast. News broke 2019-06-22[] apparently:

Iran claims to have captured spies working for CIA

[[ministry-of-state-security]] ====== Ministry of State Security (MSS, Guoanbu, 国安部)

The Chinese <<snowden,counterintelligence>> organ.

Report website launched in 2018 https://www.12339.gov.cn/[], some coverage:

[[pla]] ====== People's Liberation Army (PLA, 中国人民解放军)

The Chinese army, and also one of the central intelligence agencies, notably on cyberattacks.

.A Chinese soldier smashes bricks on a colleague's head during joint Chinese-<> anti-terrorism exercises in Kunming in 2007. http://mil.news.sina.com.cn/2014-02-26/0954766058.html from <> give the Chinese term "油锤贯顶". https://nastyhobbit.org/details.php?image_id=370[Source]. https://sinosphere.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/24/military-brick-breaking-demonstrations-face-the-chop/[Better source with worse image quality]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/PLA_soldier_breaking_bricks_on_head.jpg[height=400]

===== The West must ban the Chinese telecommunications software and hardware

They are an entry point to spying, censorship and <>. Notable companies that should be banned:

  • <>
  • <>
  • <>
  • <>


===== What should Western media do about China?

When you report something about a person, for fuck's sake include the person's name in the title of the article, at the very least the pinyin.

Then, in the body, also add the corresponding Chinese characters on the first mention. This is how you do it: "San Xihou (三西猴)"

Yes, Chinese people also have names. And yes, pinyin has infinitely more homonyms than characters.

In the body of the article, notably in photos, include the exact location of the event if applicable.

City at the very least, but if recognizable, where withing the city.

Yes, China is big! There are many different places in China.

==== Western companies that comply with Chinese censorship requests

Western governments should prevent companies from complying to Chinese censorship requests, or at least impose fines and sanctions on them.

Citizens should boycott such companies and require them to be punished.

See also: <>

Some hell known companies and events:

.2019 summary of companies that kowtow to China. https://twitter.com/hoho90272496/status/1182669015937966080[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Brand_censorship_chart.jpg[height=600]

.<> 2019-10 carton showing several brands kowtowing to <>, while South Park alone gives the middle finger. https://www.rfa.org/english/cartoons/china-hongkong-us-10102019153228.html[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Xi_bat.jpg[height=400]

.<> 2017-07 showing <> eating an Apple Inc. logo referring to the many events where Apple gave in to Chinese demands to have access to the Chinese market. https://www.rfa.org/english/cartoons/China-Apple-cartoon-08242017103540.html[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Xi_Apple.jpg[height=400]

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4WBsahU3X4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Colbert[Stephen Colbert] comments in 2015 on how American films make a good image of China to be allowed in China by censors to increase sales. video::V4WBsahU3X4[youtube,height=400,width=600]

===== Apple



.Chinese flag with Apple characteristics. https://techcrunch.com/2015/08/11/apple-shares-tumble-5-amidst-china-concerns/[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Apple_China_flag.png[height=400]

===== LinkedIn

They have a <> policy:

Extremelly dictatorial, we should test other approaches, e.g. background image, and <> on about.

We're a global platform with an obligation to respect the laws that apply to us, including adhering to Chinese government regulations for our localized version of LinkedIn in China," LinkedIn added. The company declined to elaborate on which local law it was examining.

3 days after <> put up anti-CCP messages on his LinkedIn, the account was banned in China, with a message under https://www.linkedin.com/help/linkedin/cases/36977487[]:

Hi Ciro,

Your LinkedIn profile is an integral part of how you present your professional self to the world. That's why we believe it's important to inform you that due to the presence of prohibited content located in the headline, background image and volunteer experience sections of your LinkedIn profile, your profile and your public activity, such as your comments and items you share with your network, will not be made viewable in China. Your profile and activity continues to remain viewable throughout the rest of the countries in which LinkedIn is available. We will work with you to minimize the impact and can review your profile’s accessibility within China if you update the headline, background image and volunteer experience sections of your profile. But the decision whether to update your profile is yours.

In February 2014, we began offering a localized version of LinkedIn in China. We believe that people everywhere can benefit from Chinese individuals connecting with each other and LinkedIn members in other parts of the world, and that the creation of economic opportunity can have a profound impact on their lives and the lives of their families and communities.

While we strongly support freedom of expression, we recognized when we launched that we would need to adhere to the requirements of the Chinese government in order to operate in China. As a reminder, your profile will remain viewable throughout the rest of the countries in which LinkedIn is available.

If you have any questions, please contact Customer Service.


LinkedIn Support Team

.3 days after <> put up anti-CCP messages on his LinkedIn, the account was banned in China. They are quite efficient. <> had notably https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/meghara/china-linkedin-zhou-fengsuo[previously achieved this]. Another report by a https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/meghara/linkedin-censorship-peter-humphrey[Peter Humphrey]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Ciro_Santilli_LinkedIn_China_ban.png[height=600]

===== Chinese interference in Western media

This lists links between owners of several US media outlets and China: https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/04/has-china-compromised-every-major-mainstream-media-entity/[] "A Rundown Of Major U.S. Corporate Media’s Business Ties To China". No direct evidence that this has affected the news however.


[[china-watch]] ====== China watch (2011-)

Campaign by <> to add paid articles/ads that read like news in/distributed with Western newspapers. They appeared to be marked as China watch ads, but still, they should be crushed.

https://www.opindia.com/2020/06/china-propaganda-daily-washington-post-new-york-times-wall-street-journal-millions-dollars-justice-department-newspapers-paid-content/ summarizes: +

As per the documents filed by China Daily with the Justice Department, the Communist party mouthpiece had paid over $6 million to the Wall Street Journal (WSJ), $4.6 million to the Washington Post, $2,40,000 to Foreign Policy, $50,000 to the New York Times, $34,600 to The Des Moines Register and $76,000 to CQ-Roll Call.

Besides, spending $11 million in advertising on prominent US papers, China Daily shelled out an additional $7.6 million to The Chicago Tribune, Los Angeles Times, The Seattle Times, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, The Houston Chronicle, and The Boston Globe for printing copies of its own paper. For instance, the Los Angeles Times reportedly received $657,523 for printing services. The Communist party-mouthpiece had also spent $2,65,822 on advertising on Twitter.

The Washington Post is the one that had received the most attention earlier on since 2011: + ** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Post#China_Daily_advertising_supplements ** https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/02/official-chinese-propaganda-now-online-from-the-wapo/70690/ "Official Chinese Propaganda: Now Online from the WaPo!" + They even had online distribution channel: http://chinawatch.washingtonpost.com/ It is https://web.archive.org/web/20200708133054/http://chinawatch.washingtonpost.com/[dead as of 2020-07], but https://web.archive.org/web/20180330150602/http://chinawatch.washingtonpost.com/[was alive in 2018]

2020-04-14 https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/apr/14/daily-telegraph-stops-publishing-section-paid-for-by-china "Daily Telegraph stops publishing section paid for by China"

China Daily itself claims certain partnerships: <> https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/static_e/global.html[]:

China Daily has also developed diversified cooperation with over 40 media organizations around the world, including The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, The Daily Telegraph, the Guardian, etc.

===== bandinchina GitHub repository


Contains a "List of companies who have apologized to the Chinese government and implemented censorship requests".

It only lists companies that implemented censorship outside of China however (with Hong Kong, <<taiwan,Taiwan>> and Macau defined as outside of China), therefore it is basically a Taiwan flag takedown + Hong Kong / Taiwan censorship list:

Other interesting GitHub repositories: <>.

===== Western companies that stood up against the CCP

See also:

  • <>

====== Western companies that supported the CCP

See also:

  • <>
  • <>
  • <>

===== Entertainers who support the CCP


Chinese who are famous in the West:

Chinese celebrities who opposed the CCP:

  • <>

=== Chinese Interference in the Western education systems

Related about university interference:

China buying pre-University educational institutions:

[[confucius-institute]] ==== Confucius institute (孔子学院)

News and reports:

==== University espionage



==== German high school coordinator 2020

YET UNCONFIRMED VIDEO, we have to find who that person is exactly.

The video shows what seems to be Chinese a high school dorm coordinator saying that their Chinese exchange students must staty away from ideas democracy and freedom.

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOArB434ykU video::aOArB434ykU[youtube,height=400,width=600]

First ripped from uploader's <<tiktok,Douyin>> account named Michael_c118, who also appears to be the person on the video.

Original proeminent report on the West: 2020-10-04 https://twitter.com/SDeutschlands/status/1312682617888796673 by "Voice From Germany 德國之音"

https://m.yorkbbs.ca/forum/chat/5228712.aspx contains reported screenshots of the Douyin profile (no web interface it seems), include a clear face shot.

Video also commented at:

Key markings:

  • "德国学校开班会4"
  • "This man is a coordinator of Chinese high school students who study in Germany"
  • "We have to say there's some problems in our dorm right now"

https://twitter.com/Hujo_DR/status/1312793758203748357/photo/1 is a screenshot of the Douyin profile showing a phone number, which looks like a Chinese number due to prefix 139: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_numbers_in_China#Mobile_phones

The screnshots posted on yorkbbs link him to "北京智享德意国际教育" (Beijing Zhixiang German/Italian International Education).

Googling "北京智享德意国际教育 linkedin" leads to UNCONFIRMED a Yun Xiao https://www.linkedin.com/in/xiaoyun79/ | https://archive.vn/CzZft which is not marked as working in the above organization, but could be the person in the video based on the profile picture (uncertain), and also works with education, thus the Google hit at his current organization (北京智晗未来教育咨询有限公司).

Searching for Google exact hits to "北京智享德意国际教育" leads to https://www.tianyancha.com/company/3283146644 which rejects foreign visits as of 2020-10-26, shows up on Google cache at https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:AihPPyAAZr8J:https://www.tianyancha.com/company/3283146644+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=ubuntu[on 2020-10-21] (https://archive.vn/xCfBQ[archive]).

[[thousand-talents-program]] ==== Thousand Talents Program (千人计划)

<> believes that this is exactly the type of thing that poor countries need to do to get richer: https://cirosantilli.com/#what-poor-countries-have-to-do-to-get-richer[].

But we can't allow China to do it because China is a <<dictatorship,dictatorship>>.

[[cssa]] ==== Chinese Students and Scholars Association (CSSA, 中国学生学者联合会)


Abbreviation: CSSA.

News and reports:

[[ufwd]] ==== United Front Work Department (UFWD, 中共中央统一战线工作部)

China's "Diaspora management" organ.

The likely organizers behind <>, <>, and likely several forms of <>.

==== Astroturfing

[[soft-power]] ===== Soft power (软实力)

[[what-should-pro-democracy-chinese-living-in-china-do-about-the-dictatorship]] === What should pro-democracy Chinese living in China do about the dictatorship? 想要民主住在中国大陆的人应该干什么?

First of all, hide and stay safe, unless you can deal the final blow. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_at_War[World at war, 1973], ep. 16:

A dictatorship is like a snake. If you put your foot on its tail as you do it, it will just bite you and nobody will be helped. You have to strike the head.

Once that is taken care of, a few good options are:

  • hide your thoughts, manipulate your enemies, infiltrate the corporate, political and military power circles, and go up the ladder
  • if you are an technological innovator, leave China and come work for the West. Don't strengthen commie power.

Alternatively, with technology you could also try the anonymous rebellion route, but the risk of getting caught is significant, leaving the country first is likely a good idea. See also: + ** <> ** <>

If you don't manage to do either of the above, don't do any technological work. Go work on the fields or washing dishes. Working well for Chinese companies makes the Chinese <<dictatorship,Dictatorship>> stronger and <<war,more deadly>>. See also: <>.

And regardless: remember your kids that the commies are bastards every day.

[[reply-policy]] === Ciro Santilli's reply policy (三西猴的回答政策)

People get kind of passionate sometimes about politics. And some of them might also be just malicious <<wumao,wumaos>>, although it is generally not possible to distinguish between them.

If you are not a wumao, consider this:

  • Ciro Santilli is one, and antagonists are millions. It is therefore not possible to reply to all antagonists.
  • Ciro has in the past tried to be nice to stupid people, and they gave nasty replies
  • all discussion is useless, <<effective,only the keyword attack has any chance of having any effect, and even that is slim>>

In order to not waste too much time on those, Ciro Santilli uses the following strategy.

If the original thread post is not very interesting, try to parse it quickly and reply once, always <<better-to-do,linking to the FAQ>>, and then unfollow the thread. This shows that you're still alive, and takes little effort.

Always quote reply, and always write down the ID of the OP on your reply, because discussions like this lead to a large number of comment and account deletions, which could make your reply not make much sense without the context.

After the link addressing anything that they might have said, add three randomly selected images from this repository to it. This is fundamental because the average <> does not speak English. Therefore writing is pointless.

Meme images, however, cross the language barrier beautifully. It is even better if they have Chinese captions.

Another way to see it is that we are creating a harder to censor <> channel.

You can think of them metaphorically as throwing hand grenades over the <>. Ciro strives to add the following elements in the image itself where applicable:

  • English explanation
  • Chinese explanation
  • date
  • location

Because the <<censorship,CCP censors politics>>, and the West does not, we can never "lose" a shitargument. Even if the <> supports his country in a thread, just being in the same thread as the censored material could already be problematic for the wumao, as it is proof that they've seen something they should not have seen.

Therefore the only option for them is to run away.

Ciro has since then created a reply bot based on <> Actions that does the above automatically, therefore handling 99% of the work, see:

  • link:action.js[]
  • link:.github/workflows/issue.yml[]

The bot works beautifully because it makes Ciro not feel the need to reply to every idiot <> that comes along. Also Ciro can hide like a coward behind the bot by editing the bot's comment, which is perfect. This reminded Ciro from something that was said in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better_Call_Saul[Better Call Saul] S01 E01:

And they find themselves in a little room with a detective who acts like he's their best friend.

"Talk to me," he says. "Help me clear this thing up."

"You don't need a lawyer, only guilty people need lawyers."

And, boom, hey, that's when it all goes south.

That's when you want someone in your corner.

Someone who will fight tooth and nail.

Lawyers, we're like health insurance.

You hope you never need it, but, man, oh, man, not having it? No.

The bot is basically Ciro's lawyer, always loyally on his corner of the fighting ring.

Ciro considers this a form of "asymmetric information warfare", a mixture of the concepts of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asymmetric_warfare[asymmetric warfare] and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_warfare[information warfare]. The dictatorship has <>, and legions of non-anonymous supporters. And the anti-censorship has memes, and a few anonymous supporters.

Finally, also try to extract the email of the user from one of their repositories. When successful, Ciro takes a <> snapshot of the repository as proof of SHA, and then forks it to https://github.com/wumaoland to possibly keep their email safe in case of account deletion. You never know when this information might be useful.

Then, after replying, do your best never to read the inevitable reply again, and above all, never ever reply. An interesting reply never follows from a non-interesting original post. It is hard at first, but you will eventually get the hang of it.

If the user keeps generating notifications, block them as per link:CONTRIBUTING.md[], replying to a single person multiple times is useless.

Never block users for an initial <<shitpost,shitposts>>, just reply with a stupid joke instead. This approach creates more uncertainty and makes you look cooler. It also allows you to identify who the enemy is. Only block if the user is generating multiple notifications.

If a shitpost is made on most other social media except GitHub issues in this repository, e.g. Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, immediately block the user on that website if you have the permission to do that, with a canned reply:

Hi <idiot's name>, I don't reply to China issues here, please open an issue at: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues instead, cheers.

Note however that this is not possible on idiotic websites like <> where such comments may be deleted, possibly automatically, who the fuck knows, e.g. as done at: https://www.quora.com/What-would-happen-if-I-walked-around-Beijing-with-a-t-shirt-that-said-freedom-of-speech-is-pretty-great/answer/Ciro-Santilli/comment/143227962 In that case just link to sections of the FAQ, or mute people, or maybe just block all comments on the post to not waste time with new useless notifications.

This is because it is not worth answering anywhere else where the information will be scattered and impossible to find later on, and especially on websites that are already blocked in China. Shitposts on Stack Overflow and other non-blocked websites are encouraged however, as they further help to get the website blocked in China.

For outbursts of activity from Chinese websites, usually programming (<<backlinks,v2ex, hacpai, pincong>>), only post the following canned answer and nothing else, because cowards/people who don't know English from the website might delete your posts, so you shouldn't waste time there with that shit:


在我的GitHub中国FAQ repository我已经回答了好几个关于我常见的问题。



Finally, don't forget the golden rule from https://biblehub.com/proverbs/26-4.htm[Proverbs 26:4]:

Don't answer the foolish arguments of fools, or you will become as foolish as they are.

which is now usually seen in the form https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/66460/origin-of-do-not-argue-with-idiots[of unclear attribution]:

Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Where basically idiot == someone who creates posts that obviously aren't teaching you any new useful thing, or that not praising you :-)

Alternatively, there is also the Chinese https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengyu[chengyu] version:


which means:

Playing the <<music,qin>> to a cow.

which means to talk to someone who does not have intellectual conditions of understanding what you are trying to say, bibliography:

More <<wumao,wumao>> focused strategies at: <>.

.https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/its-super-effective[It's Super Effective!] meme by <> describing how he deals with <<wumao,wumaos>> and <<little-pink,little pinks>>. Humour is the greatest weapon against dictators, and images help cross the language barrier. Composition CC BY-SA 2021, fair use on copyrighted individual elements. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Pokemon_political_meme_little_pink_super_effective.png[height=1200]

.Chinese translation of the above. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Pokemon_political_meme_little_pink_super_effective_zh.png[height=1200]

.Cartoon depiction of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengyu[chengyu] "Playing the <<music,qin>> to a cow" 《对牛弹琴》. https://zhidao.baidu.com/question/438181067.html[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Play_qin_to_cow.png[height=600]

.XKCD 386 "Duty Calls" and the famous "Someone is wrong on the Internet" quote. It is a waste of time to be like that. https://xkcd.com/386/[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Someone_is_wrong_on_the_Internet.png[height=400]

=== Who is behind this amazing FAQ?

[[ciro-santilli]] ==== Ciro Santilli (三西猴, anti-CCP fanatic, 反中共狂热, stupid cunt, 傻屄, CIA agent, CIA特工, 肏你妈的)

Original creator of https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship[]: https://cirosantilli.com/

.Ciro testing his webcam for https://askubuntu.com/questions/348838/how-to-check-available-webcams-from-the-command-line/848390#848390[an Ask Ubuntu answer]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Ciro_Santilli.png[height=400]

[[wife]] ===== Ciro Santilli's wife (三西猴的老婆)

Born and raised in China: <>.

She and her mother do <>, see also: <>.

Believes to be descendant of the brother of a recent Qing emperor, see also: <>.

For this same reason, her father, who Ciro's wife worships, spent around 10 years in the 50's for being branded a counter revolutionary rightist (右派) during one of <<mao-zedong,Mao's>> purges, possibly:

It is also for this reason that many Manchu changed their names to hide their Manchu origins, which makes reconstructing their family tree much harder, as mentioned at: https://www.scmp.com/article/982136/proud-manchu-reclaims-his-rich-heritage for the purposes of <>.

Ciro's wife:

and is way smarter than Ciro.

<<wumao,Wumaos>> can say many things about her, but claiming that she is not intelligent or has no culture or would have any difficulty in obtaining a qualified worker VISA without a marriage, is a lost argument from the start, she would likely kick your butt in a raw intelligence competition.

Ciro is actually the lucky one for having found her!

The fake "the woman makes the man" Obama story comes to mind https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/spousal-success-story/[] (Obama would never say that in public):

One night President Obama and his wife Michelle decided to do something out of routine and go for a casual dinner at a restaurant that wasn't too luxurious. When they were seated, the owner of the restaurant asked the President's Secret Service if he could please speak to the First Lady in private. They obliged and Michelle had a conversation with the owner.

Following this conversation President Obama asked Michelle, "Why was he so interested in talking to you?" She mentioned that in her teenage years, he had been madly in love with her. President Obama then said, "So if you had married him, you would now be the owner of this lovely restaurant," to which Michelle responded, "No. If I had married him, he would now be the President."

=== How do different websites view Ciro Santilli's profile?

<> contains a more general overview. This contains website specifics.

==== Stack Overflow

Stack Overflow is where <> started his <> originally in 2015 as explained at: <>.

For non-programmers, Stack Overflow is by far the leading programmer question and answer forum of the Internet.

A programmer's daily job involves asking Google about 50 times a day "how to do X", and 90% of the time or more the best answer will be found on the Stack Overflow result that will be one of the top 3 results.

This makes Stack Overflow a fundamental tool of every programmer's daily jobs.

The current community consensus says that keyword attacks are allowed:

However, you can't say "Public figure X is disgusting as a person" so <>s, could you please report Ciro making fun of Xi Jinping X and see what they do about it?


Oh, and you can't criticize God either! https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/231334/is-it-acceptable-to-insult-god-in-a-user-profile

The Chinese law doesn't allow Ciro's profile unfortunately: <>

Since you will fail through Stack Overflow moderation, please consider instead making a report on the <>.

===== Stack Overflow forbids criticizing the character of genocidal political leaders like Xi Jinping

Edit: as was made clearer later on at <>, they just generally refuse to say clearly what is allowed or not.

Ciro was actually quite shocked by this.

He thought more people on Stack Overflow would have sided with him and favored stronger freedom of speech.

But this event made him notice that people in Stack Overflow simply didn't push back against Ciro's anti Xi Jinping campaign because they don't know who the fuck Xi Jinping is, or they don't care, or they are completely hypocrite and allow criticizing Xi Jinping but not Trump.

But they do know who Trump is, and "offending Trump" makes their feeble little feelings be hurt, and they must maintain their sacred "<<politically-incorrect,political correctness>>" at all costs, even when talking about politicians. Including that the cost of freedom.

This therefore morally justifies the take-down attempts made by hundreds of <>s against Ciro's anti Xi Jinping content.

First by initiative of Stack Overflow employee https://meta.stackexchange.com/users/508266/cesar-m[Cesar Manara (Brazilian)], the sentence:

I think Trump is disgusting as a person

was removed from Ciro's profile and notified.

In response, Ciro created a meta thread to confirm that the community agreed, and they did: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/361486/can-i-say-on-my-profile-that-i-find-that-an-ex-president-of-a-country-or-other[Can I say on my profile that I find that an (ex) president of a country or other major political public figure is “disgusting as a person”?] and the community agreed with the removal: it reached only 5 upvotes and 25 downvotes. Ciro's profile at the time was linked to Trump's ban on social media: link:trump-ban-is-bad.md[].

Ciro then created https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/361493/if-a-politician-has-committed-genocide-can-i-say-on-my-profile-they-look-like-w[If a politician has committed genocide, can I say on my profile they look like Winnie-the-Pooh to insult them because they hate that?] was it was also mostly downvoted, and deleted, without any answer. Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20210227034430/https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/361493/if-a-politician-has-committed-genocide-can-i-say-on-my-profile-they-look-like-w also reproduced at: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues/198#issuecomment-787047672 The deletion voters were:

There was no yes/no answer by anyone, because the of cowardice and hypocrisy:

  • saying "you can" would imply you can criticize Trump
  • saying "you can't" would imply they support genocide

So their brains just tilted, and they clicked the "delete" button as the only possible resolution. The overly speedy deletion of posts was then raised as an issue two days later for an unrelated post: https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/405585/can-we-slow-down-on-the-deletes-on-meta-folks

Then Ciro created an answer to https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/286082/does-the-be-nice-policy-require-se-users-to-be-nice-to-people-who-are-not-se-u/361497#361497["Does the Be Nice policy require SE users to “be nice” to people who are not SE users (e.g. public figures)?"] which is a superset of the previous ones referred by them. That post is reproduced at https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues/198#issuecomment-787047242 It cites the case in which the law was tested, but it was single-handedly by journeyman-geek (from Singapore) without any justification.

Ciro then finally updated his profile picture to contain <>, archive at: https://archive.vn/iV1L8 to test the Winnie-the-Pooh case which people simply refused to answer. Let's see show that goes. As Ciro learned however, only wumaos will continue to complain, and due to hypocrisy their complaints will be ignored.

Other users who publicly went against freedom of speech in that case (in the name of "political correctness"):

we don't have to host or pay directly or indirectly to support your opinion. That's well established policy"

Freedom of speech in social media is truly threatened by the <>.

Related issue: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues/198

===== Stack Overflow political image answer placeholder (2021)

The deleted answer was https://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/83446/gimp-how-to-combine-two-images-side-by-side/145543#145543

It used <<tank-man-cc-by-sa,Ciro Santilli's CC By-SA Tank Man image>>.

Of course, once again, just like mentioned at <>, people prefer to:

  • feel safe and good in their fake cocoon rather than have freedom. While people are dying, right now, in <>
  • being fully inclusive means being inclusive to dictatorship supporters

No archives unfortunately, but:

The full moderation team at the time can be seen publicly at https://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/users?tab=moderators[] (https://web.archive.org/web/20210126143732/https://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/users/41100/piebie[archive]) and it also contains:

Deletion message:


We're writing in reference to your Graphic Design Stack Exchange account:


We think you are already aware of what we are going to say, but we are going to say it anyway. Stack Exchange is an apolitical platform, and we like to keep politics as for away from our content as possible. Our little nook on the net is about Graphic Design, which has nothing to do with politics (even though it is used in the political arena all the time).

We acknowledge that politic profiles are somewhat allowed as per https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/267368/are-political-avatars-and-profiles-ok, although we do question the usefulness of 'campaigning' through a Stack Exchange profile.

We want to draw the line however at political content. There is no need to use images or other content that might be controversial or cause emotional distress, while another image or content would serve the same function. That is why we deleted you answer on this question.

We want to welcome you on our site and encourage you to keep contributing with answers. Your other answers are fine, and judging by the amount of votes, mostly well-received by the community. You may repost the answer if you can swap out the images for more neutral ones.

At the same time we want to warn you that this type of content will not be tolerated in the future and further infractions may lead to more severe consequences.

Thanks for your understanding an cooperation, we wish you a pleasant experience on GDSE.


Graphic Design Stack Exchange Moderation Team

Ciro's reply:


Is this a policy specific to graphic design website, or is it network wide, and is there an open meta question for it?

The mods then changed their discourse to mention spam rules rather than only on the "people will feel bad" aspect:

The https://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/conduct[code of conduct]:

Be inclusive and respectful.

Exposing others to images of violent and traumatic events is not respectful to those on whom those images have a strong effect. This is only acceptable if the topic of the question make this inevitable, which also suffices to warn of those who are triggered by those images: Images about violent events are to be expected in a question about such events, not in a question about concatenating two images.

Rules against spam:

A post should be marked as spam only if it advertises a product, service, or similar and is unsolicited or lacks disclosure. […] Unsolicited means that mentioning the product serves no purpose other than promotion. […]

You were promoting a political position and including the promotional content (instead of a neutral picture) served no purpose other than promotion. It’s analogous to using a picture advertising a product as an example.

OK, the spam argument would likely win.

Ciro then hacked the images to his <<the-world-is-perfect,"The world is perfect">> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitsch[kitsch] placeholder, and mods approved it, so here we go.

Ciro was planning the following meta post, but gave up on it:

Can I use political images as placeholders for questions involving images when it does not affect the validity of the answer?

For example when answering the following ImageMagick question: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/20737061/merge-images-side-by-sidehorizontally/63575228#63575228 I used an image with political content.

The choice of the placeholder was completely arbitrary, and does not affect the answer in any way.

But today admins of Graphic Design Stack Exchange https://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/83446/gimp-how-to-combine-two-images-side-by-side/145543#145543 deleted the post saying it is not allowed on the Graphic Design website.

We want to draw the line however at political content. There is no need to use images or other content that might be controversial or cause emotional distress, while another image or content would serve the same function. That is why we deleted you answer on this question.

The admins mention that on profiles it is OK linking to: https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/267368/are-political-avatars-and-profiles-ok but on answers it is not.

So I would like to clarify if:

  • is this a policy specific to Graphic Design or if it applies to the entire network.
  • if it applies to the entire network: ** Can I use images of myself, Ciro Santilli, or is that currently considered political content? ** At https://stackoverflow.com/a/57389607/895245 I needed several images, and I had used a list of USA presidents in chronological order without much thought. Do I have to modify that answer to use another set of images?

and planned answer:

Any images that can be used on a profile picture should also usable as a placeholder

When you answer a question, you should have a very wide choice of what to use as a placeholder.

Politics is a perfectly legal topic, just like flowers, animals, and scenery.

The "can it be used on the profile picture" test should already filter out any content that is deemed unacceptable due to legal concerns.

Another issue is that it is extremely difficult and possibly unfair to classify what is political or not.

Suppose that Ciro Santilli became famous enough outside of programming circles such that he starts to be considered a political subject.

Would his images then start to be considered political content?

But that would be discriminatory against certain people and not others.

Freedom of speech is extremely valuable, and we should be very careful about restricting it.

There are people literally unfairly dying, right now, because they don't have it.

Do you really want to reduce yours?

The only way to prevent history from repeating itself, is to remember it.

Related spam meta posts:

[[the-world-is-perfect]] ."The world is perfect" by Ciro Santilli, CC By-SA 4.0 (2021). After Graphics Stack Exchange forbade the usage of political images, <> created this politically correct image to serve as a censorship placeholder, and reuploaded the answer as allowed by the moderators: https://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/83446/gimp-how-to-combine-two-images-side-by-side/147400#147400[]. (https://web.archive.org/web/20210501090745/https://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/83446/gimp-how-to-combine-two-images-side-by-side/147400#147400[].[archive]) CC BY-SA 4.0, heart attribution: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Corazón.svg[]. <<os-problemas-da-imprensa-livre,Newspaper censorship cake recipe posts during the Brazilian military dictatorship>> and <<what-is-more-obscene-sex-or-war,"What is more obscene: sex or war?">> and <<please-enjoy-this-politically-correct-cartoon,Please enjoy this politically correct cartoon>> come strongly to mind. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base-ignore}/The_world_is_perfect.png[height=500]

."The world is perfect" as used to update Ciro Santilli's https://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/83446/gimp-how-to-combine-two-images-side-by-side/147400#147400[deleted answer]. Instead of redoing the tutorial from scratch, Ciro just pasted the new image on top of the old one Stack Exchange censored: <<tank-man-cc-by-sa,Ciro Santilli's CC BY-SA Tank Man image>>. Borders of the censored image were intentionally left over however as a reminder that Stack Exchange censors. This is a work of art. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base-ignore}/The_world_is_perfect_Stack_Overflow.png[height=500]

.Politically correct version of <<tank-man-cc-by-sa,Ciro Santilli's CC By-SA Tank Man image>>. This is how <<stack-overflow,Stack Exchange>> wants the world to remember <>. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Tank_Man_drawing_censored_by_Ciro_Santilli_CC_BY_SA.png[height=500]

.At one point in Richard Feynman's talk "Los Alamos from below", he describes how external letter censorship was implemented at Los Alamos, and how he went to thoroughly test the limits of what would be censored or not. video::uY-u1qyRM5w[youtube,width=600,height=400,start=1343]


===== Stack Overflow mods refuse to clarify if anti-CCP imagery is allowed or not (2021)

This one again highlights the hypocrisy of many people in the West: we decide who is good and who is evil. The CCP is now evil, so you can criticize it, even if it shocks Chinese people. Ah, Nazism shocks us, even though it is an event from the past, so that you can't do. You can only shock the Chinese people, not us.

Or: we like human rights. But not potentially disturbing someone at work even slightly is more important.

Opened a meta thread for this at: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/366163/can-i-use-images-such-as-from-tiananmen-square-protests-to-criticise-the-chinese (https://archive.ph/56KK2[archive]) where the top answer was:

We refuse to make a public decision.

In response, Ciro wrote the following essay on his profile page: link:stack-exchange-lost-freedom-of-speech.md[].

The following quote from http://cirosantilli.com/ron-maimon[Ron Maimon] comes to mind:

Unfortunately, when you're in a minority, the only way to correct the consensus view is to just shout it, and repeat it, until people go and look and check for themselves. The reason is that it creates an adversarial atmosphere where the people have to pick sides, and they don't like to pick sides, they would rather have everyone be happy. So when you have to pick sides, what do you do? You either butt out, you just leave it alone, you run away. Or you sit and review the evidence until you know which side to pick.

Notable people who went against in the comments:

Close voters and reopen voters can be seen publicly at https://web.archive.org/web/20210609071812/https://meta.stackexchange.com/posts/366163/revisions[]

First close voters:

I have spent most of the last 20 years not just improving technical security in large and small organisations, but improving security and risk behaviours, awareness and culture in communities."

First reopen voters:

The interesting thing is that none of them had the courage to actually say "forbid Tiananmen", "forbid Falun Gong". But they all said "forbid not suitable for work". But they won't clarify if "not suitable for work" includes "not suitable for work in China".

On 2021-05-29 <> added almost all images from this page to his Stack Overflow account as shown at: https://archive.ph/nZLgI

On 2021-05-29 <> was suspended from Meta Stack Exchange for 7 days as shown at https://web.archive.org/web/20210529081019/https://meta.stackexchange.com/users/200117/ciro-santilli%e6%96%b0%e7%96%86%e6%a3%89%e8%8a%b1trump-ban-bad received the following message from moderators:


We're writing in reference to your Meta Stack Exchange account:


We note that you were previously contacted for part of your profile being offensive. It has been brought to our attention that a significant part of your profile is filled with shock pictures, nazi imagery and similar images.

We'd note that people do use this site at work, and while users have some freedom over the content of their profile, there are fairly obvious lines that shouldn't be crossed.

We do not recommend that you restore the content we removed - specifically the images without checking back with us.

We have temporarily suspended your account; you may return after 7 days.

Regards, Meta Stack Exchange Moderation Team

As can be publicly seen at https://web.archive.org/web/20210506210320/https://stackexchange.com/about/moderators the list of moderators of that website at the time was:

Ciro replied:


Could you clarify if the following types of images are OK or not:

  • people imprisoned in Xinjiang concentration camps
  • Tiananmen square protests
  • making fun of Xi Jinping
  • Falun Gong persecution

supposing that they show no explicit gore or violence?

All the above are considered highly shocking to many Chinese people, due in part to their strict censorship rules, and not suitable for the workplace in China.

I have been using such images for many years to criticize what I believe are terrible events in China, and the decision so far has been that I was allowed to use them.

The intent of the Nazi images is clearly to compare both regimes to criticize the Chinese Government, which I believe is following the same path as the Nazis (e.g. Concentration Camps in Xinjiang, no freedom of speech, etc.), to help prevent such abuses from happening again in the future.

I just want to clearly understand the rationale of of why anti-CCP images are OK, but anti-Nazi ones aren't, so I can follow your rules correctly and save everyone's time in the future by correctly deciding which images are OK or not.


On their next reply, they tried to dodge a directly reply, but suggested that anti-CCP imagery is forbidden:

Could you clarify if the following types of images are OK or not:

Its not the 'topic' but rather the content.

All the above are considered highly shocking to many Chinese people, due in part to their strict censorship rules, and not suitable for the workplace in China.

Well if your intent is to shock - don't. These are your words, not ours - and hopefully reflects a better understanding of what's not acceptable.

I just want to clearly understand the rationale of of why anti-CCP images are OK, but anti-Nazi ones aren't, so I can follow your rules correctly and save everyone's time in the future by correctly deciding which images are OK or not.

We never said that. We gave specific examples of objectionable content. If you realise something isn't suitable - that it is something shocking, and not suitable for the workplace, as you seem to realise, it shouldn't be on your profile.

In short, we believe you have a very clear idea, from your own response, of what's not acceptable, and we hope you exercise better judgement in this regard in future.

Ciro's Reply:

We never said that. We gave specific examples of objectionable content. If you realise something isn't suitable - that it is something shocking, and not suitable for the workplace, as you seem to realise, it shouldn't be on your profile.

My intent is to convey extremely important information, not to shock.

However, in dictatorships like China, extremely important information is forbidden for unfair reasons, and therefore shocking.

We never said that. We gave specific examples of objectionable content. If you realise something isn't suitable - that it is something shocking, and not suitable for the workplace, as you seem to realise, it shouldn't be on your profile.

You forbade any Nazi imagery clearly, including to criticize the Nazis, so that is clear and I will never again add Nazi imagery.

All anti-CCP content is extremely shocking to many Chinese people (but not others). And it is not suitable for the workplace for anyone there, that is unquestionable.

Therefore, from your reply, I understand that anti-CCP content is not allowed because it is not suitable for the workplace in China, as it is shocking.

Is this understand correct? Can you please confirm very clearly and directly: do you forbid all anti-CCP imagery or not? And if it is just a partial ban, what is allowed and what is not more precisely?

My understanding from top answers at: https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/349131/users-political-display-name-triggering-government-action-against-users-who-vie is that such criticism of the CCP is allowed on the website, even though it is clearly not suitable for the workplace in China.

Sorry to ask this further, but I need a clearer guideline so I can follow it.

===== Other openly dissident users on Stack Overflow

For non-Stack Overflow specific ones see: <>

Query to find them: https://data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/312860/chinese-dissidents-by-keyword-aboutme-or-displayname

Notable ones only here (high rep or innovative criticism):

https://stackoverflow.com/users/1230329/scott-混合理论 + The same message as Yu Hao, I wonder if it is an external thing or direct copy of Yu, but no Google hits besides them.

Users who had <<gfw,GFW>> references but removed it:

Misc interesting stuff:

Query to find them: https://data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/312863/mentioned-ciro-santilli-on-aboutme-or-displayname

====== Stack Overflow anti-dissident users

==== GitHub

GiHub is the new <>! :) See also: <>.

Interesting repositories are listed at: <>

GitHub's site policy can be seen at: https://help.github.com/en/github/site-policy

If you believe this page violates those policies, see: <>.

China's GitHub censorship history is documented at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_GitHub#China[], some events:


[[github-report]] ===== How to report a user on GitHub (GitHub上怎么举报用户?)

Click the report abuse button on https://github.com/cirosantilli[Ciro's profile], which links to: https://github.com/contact/report-abuse?report=cirosantilli+%28user%29 or you can just contacat [email protected]

If you do so, please feel free to also open an issue on this repository saying why you believe the site policy has been violated.

Those issues will be marked with: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues?q=label%3Aabuse-report+

It will be fun to watch you try, and fail.

This is because you do not understand how important the concept of <<richer,freedom of speech is>> in the West, and how amazing it feels when you are right, and it protects you.

The only thing that would work is if the Chinese government makes a gov-takedown on this repo: <>, in which case: <>.

In order to get this repository in gov-takedown, your best bet is to use the <>.

admin.github.com hits to cirosantilli.com:

  • 2021-05-21
  • 2019-09

admin.github.com hits to GitHub repository:

  • 2021-05-30 6 from 1 user

.How to report an user on GitHhub. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/How_to_report_an_user_on_GitHub.png[height=2000]

===== GitHub censored subdomains

It appears according to <> however that there are some important GitHub censored subdomains, notably:

However, at least for raw, <> disagrees:

More information:

===== GitHub gov-takedowns


GitHub has absolute transparency on Government takedowns, which is awesome: https://github.com/github/gov-takedowns/tree/master/China

This makes that repo into a list of fun things.

As of 2019-05 there had only been only two takedowns by China however, compared to dozens by <>. The Chinese commies are not big fans of transparency it seems.

As of 2020-03, besides the <<programthink,Zhao>> takedown, all other takedowns happened in 2019, and most seem to be <>/<> sponsored ways to <<censorship-circumvention,climb the wall>>.

The message GitHub shows on the blocked countries is:

Repository unavailable in your location

This repository is currently disabled in your location. For more details please see the takedown notice.

Here are some examples of people reacting to the blocking of https://github.com/programthink/zhao/issues/38 as per https://github.com/github/gov-takedowns/blob/78775b09e64d85f08547287cab204b48b2491192/China/2016/2016-06-08-programthink-zhao.md from China (and likely on the entire repository, which appears to be the block granularity implemented):

See also: <>

To check China only takedowns such as this, we cannot use <<censorship-monitoring,Great Fire Analyzer>>, which reports the page as accessible: the only tool <> could find so far to capture a page from China a bit like Web Archive was: <>

.<> of https://github.com/programthink/zhao/issues/38 from <> taken on 2020-09-31 from China. The "Repository unavailable in your location" message shows, since https://github.com/github/gov-takedowns/blob/master/China/2016/2016-06-08-programthink-zhao.md[this repository is in gov-takedowns/china]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/GitHub_Programthink_Zhao_issue_38_China_geoscreenshot_2020_09_31.png[height=400]

====== Strategy if this repo gets added to GitHub gov-takedowns

If this happens, we well proceed to create alternative repos china-dictatorship-2, china-dictatorship-3, etc. and it would be fun to see how that gets handled.

Can they add an entire user to gov-takedowns?

But remember that we also have: <>, and that this can be easily rendered as a single HTML page and uploaded to any static website host.

[[gov-takedowns-china]] ====== gov-takedowns/China

Skipping all <>/<> repos with very few stars, mostly some <> skip methods, those are noise, and possibly added only to dilute the real deal.

===== GitHubt This repository may contain objectionable content

TODO: <> once saw that message when visiting: https://github.com/Yanqiu-gui/-/issues/5 on 2021-05-19 for the first time, but not on the following ones. Appears to be some kind of textual softporn repo. How does that message get added exactly? And you are forced you to login to view that repository! Incredible, a hidden undocumented semi-hide-repo feature. Here's an archive: https://archive.ph/VJQdD That click wall also prevents archives of the repository therefore.

===== GitHub censorship guidelines

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9966118 GitHub threatens to shut down a repository for using the word 'retard' (2015)

===== Gitee

For our mirror there, see: <>.

Linked to "Open Source China" (开源中国) according to TechCrunch:

The project will be carried out by a consortium led by Open Source China, the Shenzhen-based firm behind its namesake open-source community and Gitee.

At https://gitee.com/mirrors they mirrors 21 thousand repositories as of 2021, updating them daily, with the goal of having "higher download speeds" in mainland China. Not that their speed is shit because of censorships of course.

Mirrors containing Ciro's keywords or related interesting stuff:

As of 2021, it requires login to see:



The name of that OS is pure gold considering the Chinese origin, since "to harmonize" is often used as a way to say "to censor negative CCP information". + That URL also likely highlights Huawei's intense influence on Gitee, the as the custom domain redirects to it: https://openharmony.gitee.com[], as opposed to what normal users can likely create https://gitee.com/openharmony[].

<> commented about his <> experiment there, it got 26 upvotes 13 downvotes, and as removed as "This post violated our policy.". There is no way to appeal that in that idiotic system. It is absed on: https://www.openweb.com/ It is also bugged as fuck. Sometimes says violates policy, then there's a JavaScript update andthe comment shows.

====== Gitee censorship

After posting our <> there, it was blocked in 12 hours:

{"status":404,"data":null,"message":"404 Not Found"}

{"status":403,"data":null,"message":"The user has been blocked"}

The block email is:


仓库 cirosantilli/China Dictatorship 已被锁定

原因: 根据相关法律法规和政策,本仓库暂停访问。

Other known blocked china-dictatorship forks:

[[zhihu]] ==== Zhihu (知乎, censored Quora clone)


The Chinese <<quora,Quora>> clone, but highly censored: <>.

Some interesting questions not related to <>. Ciro related questions at: <>.

.The Zhihu 404 page image. When they take the posts down as of 2020, it shows the 404 page which reads "你似乎来到了没有知识存在的荒原" (you seem to have come to a wasteland about which does does not exist any knowledge), and shows this symbol. https://web.archive.org/web/20200614114534/https://www.zhihu.com/topic/20080590/intro[Source]. i mage::https://web.archive.org/web/20200614114535im_/https://static.zhihu.com/heifetz/assets/liukanshan_wire.e7247fbf.svg[height=500]

[[zhihu-censorship]] ==== Zhihu censorship (知乎审查)

More general censorship discussion at: <>.

Examples of Zhihu censorship:

  • <>
  • <>

Other discussions:

[[zhihu-purge]] ===== Ciro Santilli's Zhihu purge 2019-11-03

On this day, not only the posts made by Ciro himself were deleted: he had never asked any questions or made any Zhuanlan posts himself, only replied to those. But that content made by other users was still removed. Therefore, this is not just a simple user ban, but active censorship.

Ciro received an email from [email protected]:

您好,Ciro Santilli,很抱歉您的回答受到了牵连,您回答过的问题「[email protected] 是谁维护的,为什么会收集邮箱地址?」因「违反互联网相关法律法规」已被删除。

followed by Ciro's answer to <>. Ciro could not login anymore, the login screen showed:

帐号已停用,请联系:[email protected]

So likely someone must have used the fact that this was an edgy personally information release subject issue, and then someone from Zhihu decided to purge Ciro and anyone posts that ever talked about him.

Ciro's blocked account:

Random unblocked control account: https://www.zhihu.com/people/lu-zhen-yu-96-65/activities (https://web.archive.org/web/20191103070652/https://www.zhihu.com/people/lu-zhen-yu-96-65/activities[archive]).

Furthermore, all questions related to Ciro, including the posts criticizing him such as https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/25600138[] (https://archive.is/DkooN[archive]), were taken down. This made Ciro laugh: in China, you can't even criticize that which is censored, or your post also gets taken down.

Ciro then created an anonymous Zhihu account after this event.

Interestingly however, the following answer came up later on: <> and stayed up for at least 5 months, which indicates that Zhihu did a one-off removal, and did not set up a filter for Ciro's name.

====== Ciro Santilli's Zhihu ban 2018-06-25

<> was banned from Zhihu on 2018-06-25 for "<>" content.

As a result, since that time I will be answering Zhihu questions as issues in this repo with the zhihu label: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues?q=label%3Azhihu+

I have however never posted anything politically sensitive on Zhihu, unless my name and profile picture have reached that distinction, and therefore the ban is clearly an unfair per-person ban.

But of course, all is fair in love and war, and politics.

Posting any sensitive content on Chinese websites is a waste of time, since it only means that they will be removed and you will waste time creating a new account, I will never do that.

The only significant content I ever posted on Zhihu is the answer to: https://www.zhihu.com/question/46957710/answer/122827944 which is purely technical, and trivial replies on threads that other people have started about me. Have those people been blocked like me?

My posts are still up and it does not appear to be possible for people to see that I have been banned, but whenever I try to take any action on the website a popup appears saying:

由于严重违反 知乎社区管理规定 ,该帐号已被永久禁言

This includes liking, commenting, answering, asking or trying to update my profile to say that I have been blocked.

This message also shows on my public page for everyone to see: https://www.zhihu.com/people/cirosantilli/activities but they use some JavaScript scheme complicated enough that archive.is cannot capture it.

I still get notifications however, but I am unable to reply to them, especially given that all Chinese accounts, unlike mine, have no personal identifiable information due to the understandable fear Chinese citizens have of their own government, even though such accounts might be illegal in theory: <>.

The only action that I can take now is to report abusive comments people make to me.

Obviously, the only effect of such ban is that I will create an <<anonymous-accounts-ban,anonymous account>> under Tor with a second cell phone if I wish to contribute in the future, and China will have less information about my political interests than before.

The private messages the website sends while banning you are:

知乎管理员 :您好,根据用户举报,您的帐号发布了「<<politically-sensitive,政治敏感>>」内容,帐号已根据知乎社区规范被永久禁言。处理详情可查看社区服务中心。具体规范请查看知乎社区管理规定。 6月25日 16:37 回复 | 删除

知乎管理员 :您好,根据用户举报,您的部分个人信息由于不符合知乎用户信息管理规范已被重置。用户名可以在设置页面中修改,修改后会自动进入审核等待通过;其他个人信息可以在个人主页中编辑。感谢您对知乎社区的理解和支持。 6月25日 16:37 回复 | 删除

Those messages contain links to: https://www.zhihu.com/terms2 | https://archive.is/wdXSz and https://www.zhihu.com/question/19551824 | https://archive.is/BrgV2

The ban came soon after I posted a link to my GitHub repo as a comment at: https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/21/ice-employee-list-github-linkedin/ maybe they are related.

====== Who reported Ciro Santilli on Zhihu

At the same time the ban happened I received a public comment from user "Eureka" https://www.zhihu.com/people/crb912/activities | https://archive.is/1F3t6 on this thread: https://www.zhihu.com/question/46957710 | https://archive.is/PVOLd saying:

你滥用了github, 也滥用了Stackover。这个一个纯粹计算机、编程和知识分享的地方,请不要带入政治性的色彩。请不要这么做, 维护社区的非政治性、中立和技术性纯粹,是每个热爱cs的人应尽的义务。

I am unable to get a URL that shows the comment on archive.is, so I have no proof of this claim. If you trust me, then here is a screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/YCiEEax

Since I expect the ban lists to be private, I find it extremely likely that this was the user who reported me, unless both were simultaneously triggered by a third event which I have not seen. So correct me if I'm wrong here.

Users with the same user id crb912, related "Eureka" username or same profile picture, can be found at:

By Googling the email found on the GitHub repos, we find: http://www.360doc.com/content/15/0809/11/25724933_490492490.shtml | https://archive.is/2UnGL which might, at last, contain a photo of my nemesis.

My public message to the reporter whomever he may be:

While you have also raised issues that were raised a thousand times before, and clearly answered in the FAQ, at least you were able to take some actual action leading to an actual ban, and I respect you for that.

I hope that one day you will redirect that cunning and initiative towards taking down the root cause of the problem, which are the Chinese communist Party and their Firewall themselves.

===== Zhihu questions related to Ciro Santilli

Parent section: <>

All Zhihu posts related to Ciro Santilli were deleted following <>. Some had been deleted before.

It just makes Ciro smile whenever he thinks that their post criticizing Ciro was deleted by the CCP, and they still might support the CCP, <<meant-to-be-used,Stockholm syndrome comes to mind>>. + As of 2020, that website generates a constant stream of incoming traffic to the issue it links to: https://github.com/cirosantilli/chat/issues/26[]. Unfortunately brglng was a coward and removed his comments leaving the conversation a bit broken, and this was before Ciro <<wayback-machine,web archived obsessively>>.

A random control question that shows that archive.org 404's are actually deleted questions: https://www.zhihu.com/question/316700165 (https://web.archive.org/web/20191103065449/https://www.zhihu.com/question/316700165[archive]).

Mentions not yet deleted as of writing:

[[zhihu-ted-chiang-answer]] ====== Answer to the Zhihu question "How do you evaluate Ted Chiang's 'Evil Chinese Characters' essay?" "如何评价姜峯楠(Ted Chiang)在纽约客上的随笔《坏汉字》?"的回答

https://www.zhihu.com/question/47205991/answer/967940202 (http://web.archive.org/web/20200628101940/https://www.zhihu.com/question/47205991/answer/967940202[archive])

Contains reactions to the post: <>, and this answer says that even though Ciro Santilli is amazingly smart, he cannot be bothered to learn Chinese characters, quoting Ciro's comments from: <>.

This post was interesting because it happened after <>, which indicates that Zhihu did not setup an automated "Ciro Santilli" filter.

[[zhihu-46957710]] ====== [email protected] 是谁维护的,为什么会收集邮箱地址?

https://www.zhihu.com/question/46957710 (https://archive.is/PVOLd[archive before deletion], (https://web.archive.org/web/20191103065828/https://www.zhihu.com/question/46957710[archive after deletion])).

Asked in 2016-09 after Ciro published: https://github.com/cirosantilli/all-github-commit-emails

Deleted after <>. Ciro's answer before deletion:

你用的git config user.email当然是公开的:谁都会git clone就知道了。

问题就是git repository很大,我们不会都clone.





  1. Google 把邮件从BigQuery删除
  2. GitHub 更新他们的隐私声明GitHub Privacy Statement



==== Quora


Quora is https://cirosantilli.com/quora[a generally shitty website], with mechanisms that allow <<wumao,wumaos>> to quench freedom of speech.

Quora is a major platform for <>.

Ironically, as usual, is it also blocked in China:

Examples of activity related to Ciro Santilli:

  • 2016 Ciro Santilli's profile was blocked because it had Chinese keywords on both my username and credentials. Justification: "non-English".
  • 2017 created one in English: Cook <<tiananmen,Tiananmen Square>> Noodle Shop, from <>

Added my Noodle shop to maps: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Tiananmen+Square+Noodle+Shop/@60.6132538,15.6687509,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x94603408e3c63fb3!8m2!3d60.6132538!4d15.6687509 + Leach websites that picked it up: https://kvalster.se/Falu/Uthyres/Lagenheter/Gammelvagen_49_1417351

Quora is also shitty because wumaos can downvote your answer privately regardless of reputation and make it become collapsed as "Answer may need improvement", which means it goes to the bottom and readers have to click an "expand collapsed answers" button to see it, so that very few people will ever see it.

Then have to appeal and wait for moderators to evaluate it.

This happened for example at: https://www.quora.com/What-would-happen-if-I-walked-around-Beijing-with-a-t-shirt-that-said-freedom-of-speech-is-pretty-great/answer/Ciro-Santilli (see also <>).

Ciro appealed in 2020-03-10 and the answer was reinstated on day later, but by then the question was already not being suggested as much to readers, and the other wumao answers (which criticize the USA rather than answering the question about China).

While there is some probability that the answers themselves are not wumaos, their upvoters almost certainly are and must be investigated.

Other shitty aspects of Quora include:

  • block <> archives with their robots.txt, gotta use <>
  • automatically add random topics that you don't care about to your suggestions, with no easy way to prevent that.
  • questions cannot have more than one sentence. There used to be a question body, but it was replaced with a "link for context". Ridiculous.

As a result, on the few occasions that Ciro posts on Quora, all content will also be mirrored here. Ciro's China Quora answers include:

Some <<wumao,wumaos>>:

Related posts:

[[ptt]] ==== PTT Bulletin Board System 批踢踢實業坊

Popular <<taiwan,Taiwanese>> forum system and server from 1995, pre HTML, works from telnet terminal, so likely very programmer heavy, and obviously anti-CCP, as of 2020 often shows <> ads.

<>'s appearances on PTT:

Archaic, fucking impossible to learn how to use. Ciro Santilli hasn't managed yet, so if you want a reply from him, open an issue on this repo instead. Some tips:

TODO: can anyone comment, without having a Taiwanese university address? This suggests no: https://www.reddit.com/r/taiwan/comments/1etbvb/anyone_on_pttcc_advice_suggestions/ Also asked at:

A source informed Ciro that now only https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Taiwan_University[NTU] alumni can have an account.

Maybe the email requirement is the only way to prevent <<wumao,wumaos>> from flooding the website.

Normal people see it on a web viewer hosted on: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/index.html

However it is fucking impossible to web archive that web interface because there is a cookie I'm 18-years-old confirmation before the first connection.

This shows how to connect for the first time: https://www.ptt.cc/index.firstbbs.html

One attempt is:

.... luit -encoding big5 telnet ptt.cc ....

But the main page says:

"本站目前暫停開放新帳號註冊。" "This site is currently suspended for new account registration."

And you try new it says: "目前無法註冊帳號![按任意鍵繼續]" "Account cannot be registered at this time."

OK, ptt2 went further:

.... luit -encoding big5 telnet ptt2.cc ....

Then there is a registration process that seem to require you to prove that you work at Taiwanese university, but not sure it is mandatory to post.

But I couldn't find Gossiping there either, which is the only board that matters, so not sure it is on this server.

[[lihkg]] ==== LIHKG (連登)

URL: https://lihkg.com

<> Reddit. Requires a Hong Kong IP or university address to login, a bit in the spirit of <> to avoid <>.

If it goes down, they created: https://www.reddit.com/r/LIHKG/ on <>.

TODO meaning of "LI"?

<> mentions:

[[google]] ==== Google 谷歌

Related subjects:

  • <>
  • <>

[[google-mirrors]] ===== Google mirrors 谷歌镜像

Do the names mean anything? Are they owned? The fact that they are Alexa top 1000 domains is just so funny, Google redirects for China.

Alexa top 1000 domains and blocked in China as per <>:

https://library.ac.cn/ large list of university Google/Google Scholar/Wikipedia/Twitter mirrors maintained by Chinese university students under an unified system. Each one asks for verification that you are from that university via some little known fact about the university:

Other mirrors:

No HTTPS?!?! Brains?!?!

Lists of mirrors:

[[christianity]] === Christianity (基督教)

The commies are not a fan. But as someone once told me: the commies are not a fan of a bunch of things!

As mentioned at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_China there are only a few state approved churches under total CCP control, and the others are forbidden. For example one of them is called the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Patriotic_Catholic_Association[Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association]! God and CCP on the same sentence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_XII[Pope Pius XII] excommunicated people from that organization who were appointing new Bishops!

.<> 2018-09 cartoon showing Jesus and the Apostles in the Last Supper being arrested by CCP guards. https://www.rfa.org/english/cartoons/china-crackddown-Christianity-cartoon-09072018150421.html[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Last_Supper_arrest.jpeg[height=400]

.Cartoon by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Hongtu[Zhang Hongtu] (张宏图) showing <> and other communist officials at the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Supper[Last Supper] (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/最后的晚餐[最后的晚餐]) instead of Jesus and the Apostles. https://musicandculture.blogspot.com/2010/03/massive-last-supper-parodies-post.html[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Last_Supper_Mao.jpg[height=400]

.Permission papers filled to the brim with government <<seal,stamps>> required for the Taihu Catholic Church (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/華莊天主堂[太湖天主堂]) from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuxi[Wuxi] (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/无锡市[无锡市]) to hold their annual Christmas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Réveillon[Reveillon] reunion. This is the <<ccp,CCP>>'s version freedom of religion and freedom of assembly. Also mentioned at: https://bitterwinter.org/christmas-was-not-allowed-but-brought-china-a-lot-of-money/ from <>. https://twitter.com/ZhangZhulin/status/1342211279633719296[Source]. TODO original social media post from the church. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Taihu_church_Christmas_reveillon_permission_2020.jpg[height=500]

[[lampstand-church-demolition]] .https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Lampstand_Church[Golden Lampstand Church] (https://www.dw.com/zh/山西临汾金灯台教堂被强拆/a-42114625[金灯台教堂]) church in <> being demolished in January 2018. https://www.businessinsider.com/chinese-authorities-demolish-christian-mega-church-in-crackdown-2018-1[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Church_demolition.jpg[height=400]

[[life-of-brian-nazi-jew]] .https://youtu.be/wthHB3iTC7M?t=556 Nazi Jew deleted scene from <>. If you want to stop <>, don't put them in jail like the <<dictatorship,dictators>>. Do it the same way you stop dictators: with <<funny,comedy>>. Otherwise, the dictators remain in power, and <<intolerance,next person in jail, will be you>>. <> is a good documentary about it. video::wthHB3iTC7M[youtube,width=600,height=400,start=556]

.https://youtu.be/tRr_1U9EvWI "How China uses intimidation, negotiation to bring Christians under its control" by CBC News: The National (2018). Talks about the Pope's deal with the CCP. Shows some good footage of a house church with a guard in front of the door. video::tRr_1U9EvWI[youtube,width=600,height=400,start=556]

[[ccp-vatican-deal]] ==== CCP-Vatican deal (中共-梵蒂冈协议, 2018)

In January 2018, the Church was close to negotiating a deal with China that allows China to have more control over the underground churches and allows the Vatican to have more control over the appointment of bishops. While this did not amount to the establishment of formal diplomatic ties, this was seen as a huge step towards formal recognition.[21] However, Joseph Zen Ze-kiun regarded the warming of diplomatic relationships as selling out the Catholic Church in China, as the process involves the resignation of several bishops of the underground church.

.<> 2018-09 cartoon showing the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Francis[Pope Francis] (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/方濟各_(教宗)[方济各教宗]) with a Christian cross containing the Hammer and Sickle communist symbol, in reference to one of the accords that the Vatican struck with the Chinese government. https://www.rfa.org/english/cartoons/vatican-china-cartoon-09282018102133.html[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Pope_CCP_deal.jpeg[height=400]

[[eastern-lightning]] ==== Eastern Lightning 全能神教會 (1991-)

A persecuted Christian sect that believes that some Chinese woman is Jesus.

=== Kaifeng Jews

Even with such tiny community, the <> is still trying to pretende they never existed.

[[gay-rights]] === Gay rights (LGBT权利)

Yes, gay people are also <<evil-west,discriminated to different degrees in Western countries>>, and even legally prohibited notably in the Islamic world.

But <<intolerance,like all minorities>>, they are generally more fucked in <<dictatorship,dictatorships>>, since they can be easily crushed by majorities.

Therefore, all gay people must be against the CCP.

See also:


.Widely distributed still from the Addicted 2016 series which was banned showing a presumably gay couple lying in bed. https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2016/mar/04/china-bans-gay-people-television-clampdown-xi-jinping-censorship[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Addicted_bed.jpg[height=400]

.Lesbian couple kissing in <<tiananmen,Tiananmen Square>> with Mao's painting and confused/disgusted guards in the background who are likely about to call their superiors to ask what they should do. The photo likely surfaced in 2006 https://web.archive.org/web/20200301224434/https://www.salon.com/2006/01/17/lesbians_china/[as mentioned] in link:++https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salon_(website)++[salon.com] which said it came form https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boing_Boing[Boing Boing]. It was not however picked up by any major website. Ciro actually thought this could have been ripped from some television series due to the amazing expression on the guards' faces. TODO: find the original Chinese source, translate the watermarks, and see if their identity is known. Another one can be seen at: https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1956753-fully-automated-luxury-gay-space-communism[] under the title "fully automated lesbians" which is a subset of "Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism". TODO origin. What is that uniform? http://www.chinatoday.com/entertain/tiananmen_kiss.htm[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Tiananmen_lesbian_kiss.jpg[height=500]

[[qing-gay-scroll]] .<<throne,Qing dynasty>> (18th–19th c.) panel from a scroll showing two men engaging in foreplay, apparently located in the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_Institute[Kinsey Institute] as of 2005. For an ancient depiction of heterosexual sexual activity, see <<jin-ping-mei,this image>>. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Love_play_in_China.jpg[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Qing_Dinasty_gay_foreplay.jpg[height=400]

.Lesbian couple hugging in Shanghai in the 1930s. The woman on the left might have had polio based on the deformity of their right leg. TODO proper source, could not find one on Google reverse image search. https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/muvkmu/a_lesbian_couple_embracing_posing_in_their_qipao/[Source]. image::{china-dictatorship-media-base}/Lesbian_couple_Shanghai_30s.jpg[height=500]

[[metoo]] === MeToo

Label: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues?q=label%3Ametoo+[metoo].

They seem to have had difficulty in expressing themselves due to <>, unsurprisingly.

  • Zhou Xiaoxuan v. TV anchor Zhu Jun
  • Liu Jingyao v. billionaire Liu Qiangdong
  • Zou Sicong and He Qian v. Deng Fei

Related <>:

Related <>:


[[labour-rights]] === Labour rights (劳工权益)

On more case where <>:

2021-03-02 https://hk.appledaily.com/news/20210302/EK4WOQBICNEGDFP2SSG7ZJ3PGI/ (https://hk.appledaily.com/china/20210301/KM2MXDHHXRAQHFB4MYFU6XOFTY/[Chinese version]) "Chinese food delivery worker detained after campaigning for labor rights":

Chinese authorities have detained a worker after he advocated for fair pay and other labor rights from his former employer, the food delivery giant Ele.me.

Chen Tianhe (陳天河) has not been heard from since he was detained on Feb. 25, according to mainland Chinese media reports.